
all right everybody welcome to another Google Plus hangout today I’m really
Google Plus hangout today I’m really
Google Plus hangout today I’m really excited I have a special guest with me
excited I have a special guest with me
excited I have a special guest with me on the call with me
on the call with me
on the call with me Dheeraj Pandey from a company called new
Dheeraj Pandey from a company called new
Dheeraj Pandey from a company called new tonics and why I’m excited is you know
tonics and why I’m excited is you know
tonics and why I’m excited is you know this business has gone from zero startup
this business has gone from zero startup
this business has gone from zero startup in 2009 to now being valued at two
in 2009 to now being valued at two
in 2009 to now being valued at two billion dollars they provide all the
billion dollars they provide all the
billion dollars they provide all the technology and back-end and servers and
technology and back-end and servers and
technology and back-end and servers and infrastructure for for huge companies
infrastructure for for huge companies
infrastructure for for huge companies like eBay and Honda and Toyota and what
like eBay and Honda and Toyota and what
like eBay and Honda and Toyota and what really excites me is the founder Dee Raj
really excites me is the founder Dee Raj
really excites me is the founder Dee Raj who I have with me today started the
who I have with me today started the
who I have with me today started the business off of one word and his one
business off of one word and his one
business off of one word and his one word is empathy and we’ve had a few
word is empathy and we’ve had a few
word is empathy and we’ve had a few entrepreneurs on talking about their one
entrepreneurs on talking about their one
entrepreneurs on talking about their one words how they applied it to the
words how they applied it to the
words how they applied it to the business and when I read about Dheeraj
business and when I read about Dheeraj
business and when I read about Dheeraj and and his empathy Wars I gotta get him
and and his empathy Wars I gotta get him
and and his empathy Wars I gotta get him on we’ve got to get the interview and
on we’ve got to get the interview and
on we’ve got to get the interview and hopefully you can share how that company
hopefully you can share how that company
hopefully you can share how that company got started where empathy plays in and
got started where empathy plays in and
got started where empathy plays in and for those of you who are watching I
for those of you who are watching I
for those of you who are watching I think you know fill in your own
think you know fill in your own
think you know fill in your own businesses or in that process how you
businesses or in that process how you
businesses or in that process how you might be able to find your word and
might be able to find your word and
might be able to find your word and apply to your company so Dheeraj welcome
apply to your company so Dheeraj welcome
apply to your company so Dheeraj welcome to the show thank you thank you for the
to the show thank you thank you for the
to the show thank you thank you for the opportunity so what does empathy mean to
opportunity so what does empathy mean to
opportunity so what does empathy mean to you it’s a very simple and very
you it’s a very simple and very
you it’s a very simple and very beautiful world to meet about focus and
beautiful world to meet about focus and
beautiful world to meet about focus and focus on them as opposed to yourself but
focus on them as opposed to yourself but
focus on them as opposed to yourself but and when I say them I mean employees and
and when I say them I mean employees and
and when I say them I mean employees and customers and partners so if you focus
customers and partners so if you focus
customers and partners so if you focus on their interests good things happen to
on their interests good things happen to
on their interests good things happen to you as well and and most people in the
you as well and and most people in the
you as well and and most people in the world actually operate that way I mean
world actually operate that way I mean
world actually operate that way I mean obviously there’s always a few guys who
obviously there’s always a few guys who
obviously there’s always a few guys who are on the fringes and you can be burned
are on the fringes and you can be burned
are on the fringes and you can be burned if you try to focus on their interest
if you try to focus on their interest
if you try to focus on their interest but most things in the world actually if
but most things in the world actually if
but most things in the world actually if you if you try to do it for them and do
you if you try to do it for them and do
you if you try to do it for them and do it right by them good things happen to
it right by them good things happen to
it right by them good things happen to you
you
you that’s what empathy means to us and and
that’s what empathy means to us and and
that’s what empathy means to us and and this company is very focused on
this company is very focused on
this company is very focused on employees and customers trying to do it
employees and customers trying to do it
employees and customers trying to do it right by them
right by them
right by them I love it is it how did you discover
I love it is it how did you discover
I love it is it how did you discover empathy as being the right word is this
empathy as being the right word is this
empathy as being the right word is this something that’s always been with you is
something that’s always been with you is
something that’s always been with you is there a you know story from your child
there a you know story from your child
there a you know story from your child how did you come across this and saying
how did you come across this and saying
how did you come across this and saying I’m gonna build a business around
I’m gonna build a business around
I’m gonna build a business around empathy you know probably has been there
empathy you know probably has been there
empathy you know probably has been there from very early days where maybe I was
from very early days where maybe I was
from very early days where maybe I was and somebody who was a little bit
and somebody who was a little bit
and somebody who was a little bit introverted early on and looked at what
introverted early on and looked at what
introverted early on and looked at what others expect of me and over time that
others expect of me and over time that
others expect of me and over time that really became what are others thinking
really became what are others thinking
really became what are others thinking and then you’re like so what makes them
and then you’re like so what makes them
and then you’re like so what makes them happy and then eventually splat well
happy and then eventually splat well
happy and then eventually splat well we’ll do a business what makes customers
we’ll do a business what makes customers
we’ll do a business what makes customers really happy and why do employers stick
really happy and why do employers stick
really happy and why do employers stick around and you really start thinking
around and you really start thinking
around and you really start thinking about others which I think has been
about others which I think has been
about others which I think has been there with me from very early on it
there with me from very early on it
there with me from very early on it isn’t something from your parents that
isn’t something from your parents that
isn’t something from your parents that instilled in you or they’re really
instilled in you or they’re really
instilled in you or they’re really starting like my father was probably
starting like my father was probably
starting like my father was probably always like this always thinking about
always like this always thinking about
always like this always thinking about others and politeness and sharing and
others and politeness and sharing and
others and politeness and sharing and all that stuff so I think my father is
all that stuff so I think my father is
all that stuff so I think my father is there I’m curious is there a a specific
there I’m curious is there a a specific
there I’m curious is there a a specific story you remember or something that
story you remember or something that
story you remember or something that your father always used to tell you that
your father always used to tell you that
your father always used to tell you that you still remember – today I think you
you still remember – today I think you
you still remember – today I think you know India was a very caste system
know India was a very caste system
know India was a very caste system reduce aasaiya tea and I grew up in
reduce aasaiya tea and I grew up in
reduce aasaiya tea and I grew up in India and he was always thinking about
India and he was always thinking about
India and he was always thinking about the have-nots all the time you know you
the have-nots all the time you know you
the have-nots all the time you know you know look I think we have some sort of
know look I think we have some sort of
know look I think we have some sort of like a very rich but came from a lower
like a very rich but came from a lower
like a very rich but came from a lower middle class family but even with what
middle class family but even with what
middle class family but even with what we had he was always thinking about the
we had he was always thinking about the
we had he was always thinking about the have-nots and especially people from the
have-nots and especially people from the
have-nots and especially people from the lower caste and so on and I think the
lower caste and so on and I think the
lower caste and so on and I think the feudal society the I mean there was a
feudal society the I mean there was a
feudal society the I mean there was a lot of child labor and all that stuff
lot of child labor and all that stuff
lot of child labor and all that stuff that we saw and I think he was very I
that we saw and I think he was very I
that we saw and I think he was very I would say respectful of the lower castes
would say respectful of the lower castes
would say respectful of the lower castes in the country and always respectful at
in the country and always respectful at
in the country and always respectful at with it folks were poor and so on and
with it folks were poor and so on and
with it folks were poor and so on and that kind of reflected at me that he was
that kind of reflected at me that he was
that kind of reflected at me that he was very polite and we were always giving to
very polite and we were always giving to
very polite and we were always giving to the beggars and this and that so I think
the beggars and this and that so I think
the beggars and this and that so I think over time that that
over time that that
over time that that expect for the have not really became
expect for the have not really became
expect for the have not really became more about others and to think about
more about others and to think about
more about others and to think about others and so on and my mom also was
others and so on and my mom also was
others and so on and my mom also was also very giving to others in with
also very giving to others in with
also very giving to others in with whatever little we had so I think some
whatever little we had so I think some
whatever little we had so I think some of that just got in green over time you
of that just got in green over time you
of that just got in green over time you think about others and and in the
think about others and and in the
think about others and and in the process you will feel happy as well so
process you will feel happy as well so
process you will feel happy as well so this is not being selfless it’s just
this is not being selfless it’s just
this is not being selfless it’s just another way of being selfish it’s like
another way of being selfish it’s like
another way of being selfish it’s like you know you take care of others and you
you know you take care of others and you
you know you take care of others and you probably feel happy about it I love it I
probably feel happy about it I love it I
probably feel happy about it I love it I love it
love it
love it now you have a co-founder you have
now you have a co-founder you have
now you have a co-founder you have investors you know you have employees
investors you know you have employees
investors you know you have employees when you were starting this up when and
when you were starting this up when and
when you were starting this up when and you said you know I want to build this
you said you know I want to build this
you said you know I want to build this business with empathy being our main
business with empathy being our main
business with empathy being our main core value did people did you get people
core value did people did you get people
core value did people did you get people who thought you are not people who hated
who thought you are not people who hated
who thought you are not people who hated on it that everybody just loved it right
on it that everybody just loved it right
on it that everybody just loved it right out of the gate how did you handle that
out of the gate how did you handle that
out of the gate how did you handle that you know you never make it very explicit
you know you never make it very explicit
you know you never make it very explicit because if you make it too explicit then
because if you make it too explicit then
because if you make it too explicit then it starts being artificial it’s in the
it starts being artificial it’s in the
it starts being artificial it’s in the day to day things that you do that
day to day things that you do that
day to day things that you do that matter and you don’t even probably put a
matter and you don’t even probably put a
matter and you don’t even probably put a moniker like empathy for a lot of those
moniker like empathy for a lot of those
moniker like empathy for a lot of those things I mean now that I’m looking back
things I mean now that I’m looking back
things I mean now that I’m looking back probably I put a moniker like empathy
probably I put a moniker like empathy
probably I put a moniker like empathy but many a time it’s just natural it’s
but many a time it’s just natural it’s
but many a time it’s just natural it’s just it’s like even the product that we
just it’s like even the product that we
just it’s like even the product that we build always thinking about so what is
build always thinking about so what is
build always thinking about so what is the customer really want and what makes
the customer really want and what makes
the customer really want and what makes it really simple for them and what gives
it really simple for them and what gives
it really simple for them and what gives them the peace of mind and and in these
them the peace of mind and and in these
them the peace of mind and and in these cases I mean you’d say this is just
cases I mean you’d say this is just
cases I mean you’d say this is just natural product management or product
natural product management or product
natural product management or product definition and so on but I think if you
definition and so on but I think if you
definition and so on but I think if you peel the onion a little bit it’s about
peel the onion a little bit it’s about
peel the onion a little bit it’s about saying you know what did you empathize
saying you know what did you empathize
saying you know what did you empathize with the customer rather than trying to
with the customer rather than trying to
with the customer rather than trying to geek out and just write a bunch of code
geek out and just write a bunch of code
geek out and just write a bunch of code or build a bunch of features that were
or build a bunch of features that were
or build a bunch of features that were just a bunch of features you really
just a bunch of features you really
just a bunch of features you really really think through from the eyes of
really think through from the eyes of
really think through from the eyes of the customer and so on so I never really
the customer and so on so I never really
the customer and so on so I never really put a moniker to it most of the time
put a moniker to it most of the time
put a moniker to it most of the time actually I just don’t behave as if it’s
actually I just don’t behave as if it’s
actually I just don’t behave as if it’s part of the normal day-to-day company
part of the normal day-to-day company
part of the normal day-to-day company building and you know being fair with
building and you know being fair with
building and you know being fair with employees and partners and so on I know
employees and partners and so on I know
employees and partners and so on I know you
you
you do a lot for your employees as well I
do a lot for your employees as well I
do a lot for your employees as well I know you do 100% of the employees health
know you do 100% of the employees health
know you do 100% of the employees health costs 20% of dependents there was 10,000
costs 20% of dependents there was 10,000
costs 20% of dependents there was 10,000 for family for unexpected medical
for family for unexpected medical
for family for unexpected medical thoughts and so how is that empathy for
thoughts and so how is that empathy for
thoughts and so how is that empathy for you in terms of dealing with employees I
you in terms of dealing with employees I
you in terms of dealing with employees I think it begins with tangibles like you
think it begins with tangibles like you
think it begins with tangibles like you know can you take care of their benefits
know can you take care of their benefits
know can you take care of their benefits without there having to worry about it
without there having to worry about it
without there having to worry about it because if somebody did this to me I’d
because if somebody did this to me I’d
because if somebody did this to me I’d be really happy you know this was the
be really happy you know this was the
be really happy you know this was the time when Obamacare a lot of this health
time when Obamacare a lot of this health
time when Obamacare a lot of this health care stuff was looking like a liability
care stuff was looking like a liability
care stuff was looking like a liability to the employers and we said you know
to the employers and we said you know
to the employers and we said you know what I think we can beam count a lot but
what I think we can beam count a lot but
what I think we can beam count a lot but what if we actually really did it right
what if we actually really did it right
what if we actually really did it right by the employee then they’ll do a whole
by the employee then they’ll do a whole
by the employee then they’ll do a whole lot more for the company where health
lot more for the company where health
lot more for the company where health care becomes a non-issue benefits become
care becomes a non-issue benefits become
care becomes a non-issue benefits become a non-issue again if we have trust and
a non-issue again if we have trust and
a non-issue again if we have trust and are good people and most of our people
are good people and most of our people
are good people and most of our people actually are trustworthy in fact all of
actually are trustworthy in fact all of
actually are trustworthy in fact all of them I hope trustworthy then wide beam
them I hope trustworthy then wide beam
them I hope trustworthy then wide beam count vacations why can’t we just have
count vacations why can’t we just have
count vacations why can’t we just have them kind of talk to the manager and say
them kind of talk to the manager and say
them kind of talk to the manager and say you know I really need something and
you know I really need something and
you know I really need something and when they come back they actually give
when they come back they actually give
when they come back they actually give that more to the company in terms of
that more to the company in terms of
that more to the company in terms of whatever it means you know burning the
whatever it means you know burning the
whatever it means you know burning the midnight oil and sticking by the
midnight oil and sticking by the
midnight oil and sticking by the Christmas holidays or whatever I think
Christmas holidays or whatever I think
Christmas holidays or whatever I think most people actually do that it’s a it’s
most people actually do that it’s a it’s
most people actually do that it’s a it’s it’s the it’s the best quid pro quo that
it’s the it’s the best quid pro quo that
it’s the it’s the best quid pro quo that actually works you know you know same
actually works you know you know same
actually works you know you know same thing with you know thinking about
thing with you know thinking about
thing with you know thinking about career advancement and and their
career advancement and and their
career advancement and and their education and enablement and things like
education and enablement and things like
education and enablement and things like that we are we’re always thinking what’s
that we are we’re always thinking what’s
that we are we’re always thinking what’s fair for the employees first because
fair for the employees first because
fair for the employees first because many times when you think like a
many times when you think like a
many times when you think like a corporation you’re always thinking that
corporation you’re always thinking that
corporation you’re always thinking that they are at odds with you because they
they are at odds with you because they
they are at odds with you because they are the employee and you the employer
are the employee and you the employer
are the employee and you the employer and and I think the many people in the
and and I think the many people in the
and and I think the many people in the world are very skeptical about you know
world are very skeptical about you know
world are very skeptical about you know what if you don’t take care of your
what if you don’t take care of your
what if you don’t take care of your interest and most of the world is out
interest and most of the world is out
interest and most of the world is out there to get you and that’s the opposite
there to get you and that’s the opposite
there to get you and that’s the opposite of empathy actually you know if if you
of empathy actually you know if if you
of empathy actually you know if if you if you and even at scale
if you and even at scale
if you and even at scale some people will say look you can do
some people will say look you can do
some people will say look you can do others at fifty people and a hundred
others at fifty people and a hundred
others at fifty people and a hundred people but even at 900 people which is
people but even at 900 people which is
people but even at 900 people which is close to where we are as a company we
close to where we are as a company we
close to where we are as a company we still go by trusting people and you know
still go by trusting people and you know
still go by trusting people and you know there will be a few bad apples but that
there will be a few bad apples but that
there will be a few bad apples but that doesn’t mean that you have to change
doesn’t mean that you have to change
doesn’t mean that you have to change everything for those few bad apples how
everything for those few bad apples how
everything for those few bad apples how do you go about hiring for empathy if
do you go about hiring for empathy if
do you go about hiring for empathy if you’re bringing new people on the team
you’re bringing new people on the team
you’re bringing new people on the team growing a 900 you’re growing more how do
growing a 900 you’re growing more how do
growing a 900 you’re growing more how do you hire for empathy I think you look
you hire for empathy I think you look
you hire for empathy I think you look for bad apples and apples I mean people
for bad apples and apples I mean people
for bad apples and apples I mean people who just care for themselves and use a
who just care for themselves and use a
who just care for themselves and use a lot of I and I and I and you know
lot of I and I and I and you know
lot of I and I and I and you know because the Divas are not empathetic to
because the Divas are not empathetic to
because the Divas are not empathetic to others if you look for people who were
others if you look for people who were
others if you look for people who were always about themselves and they could
always about themselves and they could
always about themselves and they could be extremely talented people as well but
be extremely talented people as well but
be extremely talented people as well but I don’t think divas will ever survive at
I don’t think divas will ever survive at
I don’t think divas will ever survive at mechanics and and again it goes back to
mechanics and and again it goes back to
mechanics and and again it goes back to where the thinking about are they always
where the thinking about are they always
where the thinking about are they always about themselves or are they about the
about themselves or are they about the
about themselves or are they about the team and the people around them and the
team and the people around them and the
team and the people around them and the fact that in a war if the team is
fact that in a war if the team is
fact that in a war if the team is rioting if I can’t mentor them if I can
rioting if I can’t mentor them if I can
rioting if I can’t mentor them if I can coach them if I don’t protect
coach them if I don’t protect
coach them if I don’t protect information if I share more good things
information if I share more good things
information if I share more good things happen so we just starting to look out
happen so we just starting to look out
happen so we just starting to look out for the red flags which is especially
for the red flags which is especially
for the red flags which is especially about dealers and we don’t hire them
about dealers and we don’t hire them
about dealers and we don’t hire them however good they are in terms of the
however good they are in terms of the
however good they are in terms of the tangible talent because the intangible
tangible talent because the intangible
tangible talent because the intangible emotional intelligence is probably more
emotional intelligence is probably more
emotional intelligence is probably more important do you have a favorite
important do you have a favorite
important do you have a favorite interview question when you’re asking
interview question when you’re asking
interview question when you’re asking the people coming on
you know I typically don’t explicitly
you know I typically don’t explicitly ask something because then people have a
ask something because then people have a
ask something because then people have a way of just artificially making it up
way of just artificially making it up
way of just artificially making it up but there is always something to be said
but there is always something to be said
but there is always something to be said about you know things like you know why
about you know things like you know why
about you know things like you know why did they move from this company to that
did they move from this company to that
did they move from this company to that and how many hops they’ve made to
and how many hops they’ve made to
and how many hops they’ve made to something or what do they aspire to
something or what do they aspire to
something or what do they aspire to become where if it’s more about titles
become where if it’s more about titles
become where if it’s more about titles and this and that and definitely the red
and this and that and definitely the red
and this and that and definitely the red flag to me actually and if it’s more
flag to me actually and if it’s more
flag to me actually and if it’s more about providing delight to customer
about providing delight to customer
about providing delight to customer and in working with the team and things
and in working with the team and things
and in working with the team and things like that so and this is something that
like that so and this is something that
like that so and this is something that most good companies look for but I try
most good companies look for but I try
most good companies look for but I try to weave in proxy questions because
to weave in proxy questions because
to weave in proxy questions because there’s no explicit question you can ask
there’s no explicit question you can ask
there’s no explicit question you can ask in an interview that will not have a
in an interview that will not have a
in an interview that will not have a contrived answer right so okay in fact
contrived answer right so okay in fact
contrived answer right so okay in fact today you talk on employee vacation
today you talk on employee vacation
today you talk on employee vacation what is your vacation and sick day
what is your vacation and sick day
what is your vacation and sick day policy is one but as long as people log
policy is one but as long as people log
policy is one but as long as people log it we don’t really count it you know I
it we don’t really count it you know I
it we don’t really count it you know I think we do have a system of logging it
think we do have a system of logging it
think we do have a system of logging it but it’s basically a relationship and
but it’s basically a relationship and
but it’s basically a relationship and arrangement between the employee in the
arrangement between the employee in the
arrangement between the employee in the manager and we don’t really have things
manager and we don’t really have things
manager and we don’t really have things like all this blackout periods and you
like all this blackout periods and you
like all this blackout periods and you can take any days off because it’s also
can take any days off because it’s also
can take any days off because it’s also about succession planning like what if
about succession planning like what if
about succession planning like what if this employee would not be there so you
this employee would not be there so you
this employee would not be there so you can’t have blackout periods for people
can’t have blackout periods for people
can’t have blackout periods for people despite how critical the business season
despite how critical the business season
despite how critical the business season could be you just have to make sure that
could be you just have to make sure that
could be you just have to make sure that if people want to go on a vacation to go
if people want to go on a vacation to go
if people want to go on a vacation to go on a vacation and a lot of people
on a vacation and a lot of people
on a vacation and a lot of people actually take four weeks off and and
actually take four weeks off and and
actually take four weeks off and and happily the company is you know saying
happily the company is you know saying
happily the company is you know saying you know what I think that’s actually a
you know what I think that’s actually a
you know what I think that’s actually a pretty good number come back for the
pretty good number come back for the
pretty good number come back for the next 11 months and work really hard to
next 11 months and work really hard to
next 11 months and work really hard to make this company successful very
make this company successful very
make this company successful very different policy than most companies are
different policy than most companies are
different policy than most companies are there any other other policies that you
there any other other policies that you
there any other other policies that you have that that you found that work for
have that that you found that work for
have that that you found that work for you from a building a team and a culture
you from a building a team and a culture
you from a building a team and a culture point of view that might be a little
point of view that might be a little
point of view that might be a little different than what most companies do
different than what most companies do
different than what most companies do well I think it’s about the long term
well I think it’s about the long term
well I think it’s about the long term and about trust and about positivity I
and about trust and about positivity I
and about trust and about positivity I think you know everything just in
think you know everything just in
think you know everything just in circles around you know when I talk
circles around you know when I talk
circles around you know when I talk about you know like say empathy for
about you know like say empathy for
about you know like say empathy for partners you know sometimes we will go
partners you know sometimes we will go
partners you know sometimes we will go and do things that will appear
and do things that will appear
and do things that will appear disruptive to ourselves like we recently
disruptive to ourselves like we recently
disruptive to ourselves like we recently did this om deal with with Dell where we
did this om deal with with Dell where we
did this om deal with with Dell where we are sharing our software with them now
are sharing our software with them now
are sharing our software with them now many companies would say why you’re
many companies would say why you’re
many companies would say why you’re disrupting yourselves because we are our
disrupting yourselves because we are our
disrupting yourselves because we are our own appliance where we use our software
own appliance where we use our software
own appliance where we use our software on our clients
on our clients
on our clients sell the whole thing as an appliance but
sell the whole thing as an appliance but
sell the whole thing as an appliance but then we are helping Dell build their own
then we are helping Dell build their own
then we are helping Dell build their own appliance using neat annexes soul which
appliance using neat annexes soul which
appliance using neat annexes soul which is software and their body which is
is software and their body which is
is software and their body which is their hardware they don’t look at things
their hardware they don’t look at things
their hardware they don’t look at things as a zero-sum game because the market is
as a zero-sum game because the market is
as a zero-sum game because the market is large then it’s upon us to actually
large then it’s upon us to actually
large then it’s upon us to actually reconcile conflicts and you’re thinking
reconcile conflicts and you’re thinking
reconcile conflicts and you’re thinking again from Dells point of view that look
again from Dells point of view that look
again from Dells point of view that look you know and Dell is a very honest and
you know and Dell is a very honest and
you know and Dell is a very honest and genuine company that we know often they
genuine company that we know often they
genuine company that we know often they have this southern mentality about being
have this southern mentality about being
have this southern mentality about being fair to other people as well and so we
fair to other people as well and so we
fair to other people as well and so we were signing the deal and there was
were signing the deal and there was
were signing the deal and there was enough naysayers who said look are you
enough naysayers who said look are you
enough naysayers who said look are you sure are you really not gonna
sure are you really not gonna
sure are you really not gonna cannibalize yourself and I said it’s
cannibalize yourself and I said it’s
cannibalize yourself and I said it’s upon us to really go and push the
upon us to really go and push the
upon us to really go and push the envelope on the market and the size of
envelope on the market and the size of
envelope on the market and the size of the market because if this market is
the market because if this market is
the market because if this market is really that small that signing our deal
really that small that signing our deal
really that small that signing our deal with OEM you know an OEM deal with Dell
with OEM you know an OEM deal with Dell
with OEM you know an OEM deal with Dell would actually cannibalize us and we’re
would actually cannibalize us and we’re
would actually cannibalize us and we’re in a very small market and and the
in a very small market and and the
in a very small market and and the owners of really making the market
owners of really making the market
owners of really making the market continued to grow israeli upon us so
continued to grow israeli upon us so
continued to grow israeli upon us so even in strategic things you know when
even in strategic things you know when
even in strategic things you know when we talk about growing the market we’re
we talk about growing the market we’re
we talk about growing the market we’re looking at you know what would Dell do
looking at you know what would Dell do
looking at you know what would Dell do that really would screw us and we like
that really would screw us and we like
that really would screw us and we like no I think we have to empathize with a
no I think we have to empathize with a
no I think we have to empathize with a couple and Dell and think like they’re
couple and Dell and think like they’re
couple and Dell and think like they’re not here to screw us they’re here to
not here to screw us they’re here to
not here to screw us they’re here to actually make money
actually make money
actually make money I mean there’s ways in which we can be
I mean there’s ways in which we can be
I mean there’s ways in which we can be the arms dealer to them let’s go ahead
the arms dealer to them let’s go ahead
the arms dealer to them let’s go ahead and do that as well I think not having a
and do that as well I think not having a
and do that as well I think not having a zero-sum game mentality and I believe is
zero-sum game mentality and I believe is
zero-sum game mentality and I believe is also about trust it’s also about trust
also about trust it’s also about trust
also about trust it’s also about trust and confidence in ourselves that we have
and confidence in ourselves that we have
and confidence in ourselves that we have to keep drawing the time and if you keep
to keep drawing the time and if you keep
to keep drawing the time and if you keep drawing the pie it’s not a zero-sum game
drawing the pie it’s not a zero-sum game
drawing the pie it’s not a zero-sum game a lot of company is going into
a lot of company is going into
a lot of company is going into negotiations like that they’re they’re
negotiations like that they’re they’re
negotiations like that they’re they’re trying to get you know the last dollar
trying to get you know the last dollar
trying to get you know the last dollar try to negotiate as hard as they can to
try to negotiate as hard as they can to
try to negotiate as hard as they can to get the best deal possible for them how
get the best deal possible for them how
get the best deal possible for them how do you approach negotiation you you
do you approach negotiation you you
do you approach negotiation you you purposely leave something on the table
purposely leave something on the table
purposely leave something on the table for them because that’s the fair the
for them because that’s the fair the
for them because that’s the fair the ride the empathetic thing to do yeah I
ride the empathetic thing to do yeah I
ride the empathetic thing to do yeah I think works out long because you know
think works out long because you know
think works out long because you know you evoke
you evoke
you evoke I would say the right brain the
I would say the right brain the
I would say the right brain the emotional intelligence and a lot of
emotional intelligence and a lot of
emotional intelligence and a lot of people as opposed to left brain about
people as opposed to left brain about
people as opposed to left brain about spreadsheets and numbers and dollars and
spreadsheets and numbers and dollars and
spreadsheets and numbers and dollars and so on and in the long term it works out
so on and in the long term it works out
so on and in the long term it works out so much better actually now there’s
so much better actually now there’s
so much better actually now there’s always going to be you know a fringe set
always going to be you know a fringe set
always going to be you know a fringe set of people like 2% of the people who are
of people like 2% of the people who are
of people like 2% of the people who are extremely calculating and manipulative
extremely calculating and manipulative
extremely calculating and manipulative in terms of negotiation so you can sense
in terms of negotiation so you can sense
in terms of negotiation so you can sense that when they’re sitting across the
that when they’re sitting across the
that when they’re sitting across the table who are those people but I mean
table who are those people but I mean
table who are those people but I mean just doing this deal with Dell we
just doing this deal with Dell we
just doing this deal with Dell we realized that there are also people who
realized that there are also people who
realized that there are also people who believe in proposed so why not actually
believe in proposed so why not actually
believe in proposed so why not actually try to invoke the positive side of
try to invoke the positive side of
try to invoke the positive side of business dealers and leaders as opposed
business dealers and leaders as opposed
business dealers and leaders as opposed to trying to alway just think about
to trying to alway just think about
to trying to alway just think about yourself like you know how can I
yourself like you know how can I
yourself like you know how can I maximize this for ourselves I mean their
maximize this for ourselves I mean their
maximize this for ourselves I mean their deals that we go into where we don’t
deals that we go into where we don’t
deals that we go into where we don’t think of margins you just think about
think of margins you just think about
think of margins you just think about doing it right because we know that if
doing it right because we know that if
doing it right because we know that if we do it right by them they have so much
we do it right by them they have so much
we do it right by them they have so much money that the trust will build and they
money that the trust will build and they
money that the trust will build and they will actually not have the lower time
will actually not have the lower time
will actually not have the lower time but now is not the time to actually
but now is not the time to actually
but now is not the time to actually haggle and try to squeeze the last
haggle and try to squeeze the last
haggle and try to squeeze the last dollar in a first deal in the first
dollar in a first deal in the first
dollar in a first deal in the first conversation right and when you go into
conversation right and when you go into
conversation right and when you go into those negotiations with a company and
those negotiations with a company and
those negotiations with a company and obviously work out great with Dell they
obviously work out great with Dell they
obviously work out great with Dell they have the same approach to fairness and
have the same approach to fairness and
have the same approach to fairness and and I love Dell – I work with them on a
and I love Dell – I work with them on a
and I love Dell – I work with them on a couple projects when you go into a
couple projects when you go into a
couple projects when you go into a negotiation with the company and you’re
negotiation with the company and you’re
negotiation with the company and you’re not getting that vibe and you can tell
not getting that vibe and you can tell
not getting that vibe and you can tell they’re trying to squeeze you for
they’re trying to squeeze you for
they’re trying to squeeze you for everything and what do you do do you
everything and what do you do do you
everything and what do you do do you just try to be at empathetic impossible
just try to be at empathetic impossible
just try to be at empathetic impossible and see if you can make the negotiation
and see if you can make the negotiation
and see if you can make the negotiation happen or do you say you know what I
happen or do you say you know what I
happen or do you say you know what I don’t think we’re the right partner for
don’t think we’re the right partner for
don’t think we’re the right partner for you would walk away because you don’t
you would walk away because you don’t
you would walk away because you don’t think it’s a long-term fit how do you
think it’s a long-term fit how do you
think it’s a long-term fit how do you approach dealing with somebody who
approach dealing with somebody who
approach dealing with somebody who doesn’t share that same value of empathy
doesn’t share that same value of empathy
doesn’t share that same value of empathy you know personally I when I say that
you know personally I when I say that
you know personally I when I say that I’m somebody who’s driven by empathy I’m
I’m somebody who’s driven by empathy I’m
I’m somebody who’s driven by empathy I’m also a relatively self-assured person
also a relatively self-assured person
also a relatively self-assured person and I want the respect back
and I want the respect back
and I want the respect back I respect are those brows one respect
I respect are those brows one respect
I respect are those brows one respect back so at times when I don’t see the
back so at times when I don’t see the
back so at times when I don’t see the respect from others I can’t deal with
respect from others I can’t deal with
respect from others I can’t deal with those people so that’s just person I
those people so that’s just person I
those people so that’s just person I mean obviously the company could always
mean obviously the company could always
mean obviously the company could always behave differently because of X
behave differently because of X
behave differently because of X EMC and things like that but I don’t
EMC and things like that but I don’t
EMC and things like that but I don’t bend over backwards if I can’t see
bend over backwards if I can’t see
bend over backwards if I can’t see fairness I’m good any deal has to be a
fairness I’m good any deal has to be a
fairness I’m good any deal has to be a win-win if it’s win lose and I think
win-win if it’s win lose and I think
win-win if it’s win lose and I think that they are being suffocated it’s a
that they are being suffocated it’s a
that they are being suffocated it’s a great signal for me to say that you know
great signal for me to say that you know
great signal for me to say that you know what it’s not the right thing for us to
what it’s not the right thing for us to
what it’s not the right thing for us to do so I typically walk away from places
do so I typically walk away from places
do so I typically walk away from places where I don’t see respect Don and I
where I don’t see respect Don and I
where I don’t see respect Don and I think the company again is a separate
think the company again is a separate
think the company again is a separate entity than me but I believe the company
entity than me but I believe the company
entity than me but I believe the company will also do mostly things that are self
will also do mostly things that are self
will also do mostly things that are self respectful as opposed to bending or
respectful as opposed to bending or
respectful as opposed to bending or backwards because the world is too small
backwards because the world is too small
backwards because the world is too small and I mean and we don’t have a whole lot
and I mean and we don’t have a whole lot
and I mean and we don’t have a whole lot of time there’s always other
of time there’s always other
of time there’s always other opportunities where you could go in and
opportunities where you could go in and
opportunities where you could go in and have a win-win as opposed to a win-lose
have a win-win as opposed to a win-lose
have a win-win as opposed to a win-lose proposition right um let’s switch the
proposition right um let’s switch the
proposition right um let’s switch the kind of customers for a second I would
kind of customers for a second I would
kind of customers for a second I would imagine that being empathetic toward
imagine that being empathetic toward
imagine that being empathetic toward your customers leads to a lot more long
your customers leads to a lot more long
your customers leads to a lot more long term deals long term relationships and
term deals long term relationships and
term deals long term relationships and just the transactional you know in and
just the transactional you know in and
just the transactional you know in and out and so you know a do you agree and B
out and so you know a do you agree and B
out and so you know a do you agree and B how do you how do you train your
how do you how do you train your
how do you how do you train your salespeople or is it finding the right
salespeople or is it finding the right
salespeople or is it finding the right sales people who have that mentality
sales people who have that mentality
sales people who have that mentality instead of hey we got to hit these
instead of hey we got to hit these
instead of hey we got to hit these quarterly numbers I want to hit my sales
quarterly numbers I want to hit my sales
quarterly numbers I want to hit my sales targets how do you manage that process
targets how do you manage that process
targets how do you manage that process in your company yeah I think structural
in your company yeah I think structural
in your company yeah I think structural and strategic decisions that we also
and strategic decisions that we also
and strategic decisions that we also made early on to not go after the lowest
made early on to not go after the lowest
made early on to not go after the lowest end of or the base of the pyramid which
end of or the base of the pyramid which
end of or the base of the pyramid which is SMB customers you know small and
is SMB customers you know small and
is SMB customers you know small and medium business customers with all lot
medium business customers with all lot
medium business customers with all lot more transactional deals happening their
more transactional deals happening their
more transactional deals happening their value for a lot of the SMB is cost its
value for a lot of the SMB is cost its
value for a lot of the SMB is cost its price price price and nothing else and
price price price and nothing else and
price price price and nothing else and we’ve stayed away strategically the
we’ve stayed away strategically the
we’ve stayed away strategically the company from a lot of the low end of
company from a lot of the low end of
company from a lot of the low end of this stuff the lowest end of the stock
this stuff the lowest end of the stock
this stuff the lowest end of the stock you know but the moment you go higher up
you know but the moment you go higher up
you know but the moment you go higher up in the pyramid value is about experience
in the pyramid value is about experience
in the pyramid value is about experience it’s about and people are willing to pay
it’s about and people are willing to pay
it’s about and people are willing to pay for experience and then it’s less about
for experience and then it’s less about
for experience and then it’s less about price price price and more about
price price price and more about
price price price and more about what can you do for me longer-term and I
what can you do for me longer-term and I
what can you do for me longer-term and I think our ramps sales reps and sales
think our ramps sales reps and sales
think our ramps sales reps and sales engineers they are naturally inclined to
engineers they are naturally inclined to
engineers they are naturally inclined to think about you know either selling
think about you know either selling
think about you know either selling value which is don’t sell technology
value which is don’t sell technology
value which is don’t sell technology don’t sell a box sell an experience and
don’t sell a box sell an experience and
don’t sell a box sell an experience and customers also buying experience as
customers also buying experience as
customers also buying experience as opposed to a box or technology I think
opposed to a box or technology I think
opposed to a box or technology I think you know I have this mantra I talk about
you know I have this mantra I talk about
you know I have this mantra I talk about all the time you let guys sell an
all the time you let guys sell an
all the time you let guys sell an experience not a box selling experience
experience not a box selling experience
experience not a box selling experience not a technology and it comes I think
not a technology and it comes I think
not a technology and it comes I think the four great uses everywhere that we
the four great uses everywhere that we
the four great uses everywhere that we actually go and talk about it’s about
actually go and talk about it’s about
actually go and talk about it’s about this is what we do today but this is
this is what we do today but this is
this is what we do today but this is where we head into more and this is how
where we head into more and this is how
where we head into more and this is how we can actually go after more things
we can actually go after more things
we can actually go after more things tomorrow the other thing that is very
tomorrow the other thing that is very
tomorrow the other thing that is very critical to the company’s success is is
critical to the company’s success is is
critical to the company’s success is is what we called repeat business you know
what we called repeat business you know
what we called repeat business you know its land and expand it like you know can
its land and expand it like you know can
its land and expand it like you know can you how can he land in the next and from
you how can he land in the next and from
you how can he land in the next and from there as opposed to trying to boil the
there as opposed to trying to boil the
there as opposed to trying to boil the ocean with the first deal because many
ocean with the first deal because many
ocean with the first deal because many companies try to have a hail-mary deal
companies try to have a hail-mary deal
companies try to have a hail-mary deal oh I did this two million dollar thing
oh I did this two million dollar thing
oh I did this two million dollar thing and took us two years to get there it’s
and took us two years to get there it’s
and took us two years to get there it’s like could he have done 100k deal in
like could he have done 100k deal in
like could he have done 100k deal in three months and then you could probably
three months and then you could probably
three months and then you could probably have gained five million because of the
have gained five million because of the
have gained five million because of the trust that you know good delivery and a
trust that you know good delivery and a
trust that you know good delivery and a good supportive experience and a good
good supportive experience and a good
good supportive experience and a good product experience will actually come to
product experience will actually come to
product experience will actually come to have so that whole idea of start small
have so that whole idea of start small
have so that whole idea of start small and then draw a relationship is actually
and then draw a relationship is actually
and then draw a relationship is actually a pretty big part of the overall selling
a pretty big part of the overall selling
a pretty big part of the overall selling motion in this company we we actually
motion in this company we we actually
motion in this company we we actually look at whale hunters very skeptically
look at whale hunters very skeptically
look at whale hunters very skeptically because we hunter the trying to maximize
because we hunter the trying to maximize
because we hunter the trying to maximize a lot in a first deal instead I think
a lot in a first deal instead I think
a lot in a first deal instead I think you know you’re looking for people who
you know you’re looking for people who
you know you’re looking for people who are strategic who understand what value
are strategic who understand what value
are strategic who understand what value selling means but at the same time are
selling means but at the same time are
selling means but at the same time are willing to just take a small foot in the
willing to just take a small foot in the
willing to just take a small foot in the door and then realize that over time can
door and then realize that over time can
door and then realize that over time can really expand and again it goes back to
really expand and again it goes back to
really expand and again it goes back to the notion of empathy because what
the notion of empathy because what
the notion of empathy because what you’re really saying is I’m willing to
you’re really saying is I’m willing to
you’re really saying is I’m willing to give a benefit of the doubt to the
give a benefit of the doubt to the
give a benefit of the doubt to the customer that initially let
customer that initially let
customer that initially let trust us because we are probably a
trust us because we are probably a
trust us because we are probably a no-name and we don’t have an engagement
no-name and we don’t have an engagement
no-name and we don’t have an engagement with them but why don’t I let them give
with them but why don’t I let them give
with them but why don’t I let them give me a foot in the door and then over time
me a foot in the door and then over time
me a foot in the door and then over time if we prove it if the product works and
if we prove it if the product works and
if we prove it if the product works and the support experience is awesome
the support experience is awesome
the support experience is awesome then these guys will come back with a
then these guys will come back with a
then these guys will come back with a lot so I think what the sales motion is
lot so I think what the sales motion is
lot so I think what the sales motion is actually driven like that actually what
actually driven like that actually what
actually driven like that actually what is the what is the new tonic experience
is the what is the new tonic experience
is the what is the new tonic experience so you talked about that what what do i
so you talked about that what what do i
so you talked about that what what do i how do you explain that to a sales
how do you explain that to a sales
how do you explain that to a sales person or new sales guy joining your
person or new sales guy joining your
person or new sales guy joining your company to deliver that to the to the
company to deliver that to the to the
company to deliver that to the to the customer
customer
customer I think it’s it’s also driven my very
I think it’s it’s also driven my very
I think it’s it’s also driven my very simple water it’s called simple you know
simple water it’s called simple you know
simple water it’s called simple you know we used the word simple it’s very
we used the word simple it’s very
we used the word simple it’s very clichĂ©d word as well but simple is hard
clichéd word as well but simple is hard
clichéd word as well but simple is hard you know to deliver something simple and
you know to deliver something simple and
you know to deliver something simple and extremely difficult and anything that
extremely difficult and anything that
extremely difficult and anything that you do whether it’s a food that we give
you do whether it’s a food that we give
you do whether it’s a food that we give out or a product that we deploy or the
out or a product that we deploy or the
out or a product that we deploy or the story that we tell the value that we
story that we tell the value that we
story that we tell the value that we sell is all about you know we’ll make it
sell is all about you know we’ll make it
sell is all about you know we’ll make it simple free and simple sells really well
simple free and simple sells really well
simple free and simple sells really well and and simply them experience that a
and and simply them experience that a
and and simply them experience that a lot of companies can talk about where
lot of companies can talk about where
lot of companies can talk about where very few couldn’t deliver so I think we
very few couldn’t deliver so I think we
very few couldn’t deliver so I think we raised the bar and the competition and
raised the bar and the competition and
raised the bar and the competition and what simple really means and again
what simple really means and again
what simple really means and again simple goes back to what if the customer
simple goes back to what if the customer
simple goes back to what if the customer really want I mean speeds and feeds
really want I mean speeds and feeds
really want I mean speeds and feeds which is probably let’s say improving
which is probably let’s say improving
which is probably let’s say improving the Machine time anything machines go
the Machine time anything machines go
the Machine time anything machines go faster is good but making humans go
faster is good but making humans go
faster is good but making humans go faster is 10x more important because
faster is 10x more important because
faster is 10x more important because what is the most precious resource in
what is the most precious resource in
what is the most precious resource in people’s lives it’s their time it’s not
people’s lives it’s their time it’s not
people’s lives it’s their time it’s not the Machine time because machine time
the Machine time because machine time
the Machine time because machine time follows Moore’s law you know you can
follows Moore’s law you know you can
follows Moore’s law you know you can always start to churn I mean Intel can
always start to churn I mean Intel can
always start to churn I mean Intel can churn more faster processors and more
churn more faster processors and more
churn more faster processors and more frequency and more horsepower and just
frequency and more horsepower and just
frequency and more horsepower and just that are you looking at flash drives in
that are you looking at flash drives in
that are you looking at flash drives in your laptops and your phones everything
your laptops and your phones everything
your laptops and your phones everything gets faster on the machine side what
gets faster on the machine side what
gets faster on the machine side what doesn’t improve is 24 hours in a day
doesn’t improve is 24 hours in a day
doesn’t improve is 24 hours in a day that’s all we have
that’s all we have
that’s all we have squeeze more and more in there so I
squeeze more and more in there so I
squeeze more and more in there so I think we really go and sell human
think we really go and sell human
think we really go and sell human experience around simplicity because
experience around simplicity because
experience around simplicity because what we’re really selling it will take
what we’re really selling it will take
what we’re really selling it will take 1/10 the time and to save you a lot of
1/10 the time and to save you a lot of
1/10 the time and to save you a lot of time to go and probably you spend with
time to go and probably you spend with
time to go and probably you spend with your family and this and that
your family and this and that
your family and this and that I mean infrastructure in general IT is
I mean infrastructure in general IT is
I mean infrastructure in general IT is still a very complicated beast and
still a very complicated beast and
still a very complicated beast and behind closed doors you know what
behind closed doors you know what
behind closed doors you know what happens when in data centers and
happens when in data centers and
happens when in data centers and infrastructure and so on is still very
infrastructure and so on is still very
infrastructure and so on is still very complicated but really time a simplified
complicated but really time a simplified
complicated but really time a simplified order that again going back to what
order that again going back to what
order that again going back to what exactly is missing in the life of an
exactly is missing in the life of an
exactly is missing in the life of an administrator question of enmity and
administrator question of enmity and
administrator question of enmity and most of what we see is there they have a
most of what we see is there they have a
most of what we see is there they have a very complicated life and they would
very complicated life and they would
very complicated life and they would love to actually get some peace of mind
love to actually get some peace of mind
love to actually get some peace of mind to go home and have a vacation or spend
to go home and have a vacation or spend
to go home and have a vacation or spend time have you ever had a situation maybe
time have you ever had a situation maybe
time have you ever had a situation maybe there’s a story you can tell where it
there’s a story you can tell where it
there’s a story you can tell where it looked like a great opportunity a great
looked like a great opportunity a great
looked like a great opportunity a great deal a great way to grow the business
deal a great way to grow the business
deal a great way to grow the business but but it was kind of against the
but but it was kind of against the
but but it was kind of against the empathy value that you staying for if it
empathy value that you staying for if it
empathy value that you staying for if it was a partner dealing with or a new
was a partner dealing with or a new
was a partner dealing with or a new potential hire or customer and it just
potential hire or customer and it just
potential hire or customer and it just you know it didn’t work out and how do
you know it didn’t work out and how do
you know it didn’t work out and how do you handle that situation which is so
you handle that situation which is so
you handle that situation which is so against empathy but it looks like a
against empathy but it looks like a
against empathy but it looks like a great opportunity what do you do in that
great opportunity what do you do in that
great opportunity what do you do in that situation you know initially I’ve done
situation you know initially I’ve done
situation you know initially I’ve done this in the past as well
this in the past as well
this in the past as well I’ve actually parted ways with people
I’ve actually parted ways with people
I’ve actually parted ways with people that I initially would give the benefit
that I initially would give the benefit
that I initially would give the benefit of the doubt to because empathy is
of the doubt to because empathy is
of the doubt to because empathy is driven by one thing that everybody has a
driven by one thing that everybody has a
driven by one thing that everybody has a good sight then there’s an angel in
good sight then there’s an angel in
good sight then there’s an angel in everybody and you’re trying to invoke
everybody and you’re trying to invoke
everybody and you’re trying to invoke that that’s all you’re trying to do and
that that’s all you’re trying to do and
that that’s all you’re trying to do and you’re like you know what because all of
you’re like you know what because all of
you’re like you know what because all of us have two sides means there’s a
us have two sides means there’s a
us have two sides means there’s a teaming there’s an angel and most good
teaming there’s an angel and most good
teaming there’s an angel and most good people actually control the demon and
people actually control the demon and
people actually control the demon and I’ve just been optimistic that look if
I’ve just been optimistic that look if
I’ve just been optimistic that look if people appear a little bit selfish or
people appear a little bit selfish or
people appear a little bit selfish or they’re too merciful Deever you probably
they’re too merciful Deever you probably
they’re too merciful Deever you probably will give them the benefit of the doubt
will give them the benefit of the doubt
will give them the benefit of the doubt that it can be involved the good side
that it can be involved the good side
that it can be involved the good side can be more
can be more
can be more and you you have to be patient now
and you you have to be patient now
and you you have to be patient now eventually absolutely it’s not in the
eventually absolutely it’s not in the
eventually absolutely it’s not in the world so you have to pull the plug but I
world so you have to pull the plug but I
world so you have to pull the plug but I think mine I would say first reaction is
think mine I would say first reaction is
think mine I would say first reaction is always to give them the benefit of the
always to give them the benefit of the
always to give them the benefit of the doubt
doubt
doubt maybe circumstances are not right
maybe circumstances are not right
maybe circumstances are not right because of which they have appeared
because of which they have appeared
because of which they have appeared negative to other people but start
negative to other people but start
negative to other people but start positive I mean look I’m an entrepreneur
positive I mean look I’m an entrepreneur
positive I mean look I’m an entrepreneur so I’m an incorrigible optimist first
so I’m an incorrigible optimist first
so I’m an incorrigible optimist first thing and even with people will appear
thing and even with people will appear
thing and even with people will appear extremely hawkish I actually try to
extremely hawkish I actually try to
extremely hawkish I actually try to think that look there is a way to make
think that look there is a way to make
think that look there is a way to make this thing work if he gave him the right
this thing work if he gave him the right
this thing work if he gave him the right circumstances if we give them the
circumstances if we give them the
circumstances if we give them the ability to flourish then good things can
ability to flourish then good things can
ability to flourish then good things can actually happen but I mean many a time
actually happen but I mean many a time
actually happen but I mean many a time you are wrong but you still give it
you are wrong but you still give it
you are wrong but you still give it enough time you have to be patient with
enough time you have to be patient with
enough time you have to be patient with such people as well it is is empathy
such people as well it is is empathy
such people as well it is is empathy aspirational for you in that do you see
aspirational for you in that do you see
aspirational for you in that do you see yourself as a leader in this is the way
yourself as a leader in this is the way
yourself as a leader in this is the way business should be done and in almost
business should be done and in almost
business should be done and in almost building a model company for other
building a model company for other
building a model company for other entrepreneurs entrepreneurs who are
entrepreneurs entrepreneurs who are
entrepreneurs entrepreneurs who are watching who are looking to start their
watching who are looking to start their
watching who are looking to start their own business you see yourself as this is
own business you see yourself as this is
own business you see yourself as this is a model business to follow this is a
a model business to follow this is a
a model business to follow this is a woman and grace as well and and be super
woman and grace as well and and be super
woman and grace as well and and be super successful off of it trying to kind of
successful off of it trying to kind of
successful off of it trying to kind of spread empathy to the world and not just
spread empathy to the world and not just
spread empathy to the world and not just your business yeah I think I don’t know
your business yeah I think I don’t know
your business yeah I think I don’t know if I actually fully understood the
if I actually fully understood the
if I actually fully understood the question because it you’re cutting in
question because it you’re cutting in
question because it you’re cutting in and out but I think it’s it’s it’s a
and out but I think it’s it’s it’s a
and out but I think it’s it’s it’s a word that can drive most behavior in an
word that can drive most behavior in an
word that can drive most behavior in an enterprise you know I think most
enterprise you know I think most
enterprise you know I think most behavior any venture can be driven by
behavior any venture can be driven by
behavior any venture can be driven by entity actually okay yeah so I guess the
entity actually okay yeah so I guess the
entity actually okay yeah so I guess the second part of that question is do you
second part of that question is do you
second part of that question is do you see that as are you trying to build a
see that as are you trying to build a
see that as are you trying to build a model company that other people can look
model company that other people can look
model company that other people can look up to you know entrepreneurs might look
up to you know entrepreneurs might look
up to you know entrepreneurs might look up to Microsoft that wouldn’t be the
up to Microsoft that wouldn’t be the
up to Microsoft that wouldn’t be the next Microsoft do you see yourself as
next Microsoft do you see yourself as
next Microsoft do you see yourself as been hey entreprise want to look up to
been hey entreprise want to look up to
been hey entreprise want to look up to you and I want to be the next Nutanix
you and I want to be the next Nutanix
you and I want to be the next Nutanix and I want to build a company that’s
and I want to build a company that’s
and I want to build a company that’s around empathy as well and I want to
around empathy as well and I want to
around empathy as well and I want to help spread empathy to the world do you
help spread empathy to the world do you
help spread empathy to the world do you see yourself as kind of a pioneer trying
see yourself as kind of a pioneer trying
see yourself as kind of a pioneer trying to make the world a better place through
to make the world a better place through
to make the world a better place through empathy and and not just kind of your
empathy and and not just kind of your
empathy and and not just kind of your team and your customs but being a force
team and your customs but being a force
team and your customs but being a force for good and the
yeah by the way I think you breaking in
yeah by the way I think you breaking in and out a little bit Devon I don’t know
and out a little bit Devon I don’t know
and out a little bit Devon I don’t know maybe it’s a network in my side but I I
maybe it’s a network in my side but I I
maybe it’s a network in my side but I I think definitely believe that empathy
think definitely believe that empathy
think definitely believe that empathy also invokes you know corporate social
also invokes you know corporate social
also invokes you know corporate social responsibility and the sense of giving
responsibility and the sense of giving
responsibility and the sense of giving back to the society and things like that
back to the society and things like that
back to the society and things like that I you know the company did not be the
I you know the company did not be the
I you know the company did not be the best at it but we are trying I mean
best at it but we are trying I mean
best at it but we are trying I mean recently we tried this web-scale wish
recently we tried this web-scale wish
recently we tried this web-scale wish where we went and did a makeover of a
where we went and did a makeover of a
where we went and did a makeover of a non-profit organizations infrastructure
non-profit organizations infrastructure
non-profit organizations infrastructure and greatest entrance so I think you can
and greatest entrance so I think you can
and greatest entrance so I think you can do more of it but overall I believe that
do more of it but overall I believe that
do more of it but overall I believe that if this company is basically being
if this company is basically being
if this company is basically being looked upon as a company made out of two
looked upon as a company made out of two
looked upon as a company made out of two words you know empathy and simple then I
words you know empathy and simple then I
words you know empathy and simple then I think we’ve done a pretty good job love
think we’ve done a pretty good job love
think we’ve done a pretty good job love us building a good brand you know just
us building a good brand you know just
us building a good brand you know just being respect of your time maybe last
being respect of your time maybe last
being respect of your time maybe last question advice that you would have for
question advice that you would have for
question advice that you would have for young entrepreneurs or new entrepreneurs
young entrepreneurs or new entrepreneurs
young entrepreneurs or new entrepreneurs are entrepreneurs are trying to get you
are entrepreneurs are trying to get you
are entrepreneurs are trying to get you know to your level
know to your level
know to your level what kind of parting words would you
what kind of parting words would you
what kind of parting words would you give them to encourage them on their
give them to encourage them on their
give them to encourage them on their path and I think the most important one
path and I think the most important one
path and I think the most important one is optimized for the long term and don’t
is optimized for the long term and don’t
is optimized for the long term and don’t be too skeptical about the world I think
be too skeptical about the world I think
be too skeptical about the world I think you know if they were to think of these
you know if they were to think of these
you know if they were to think of these two things then they’ll actually be more
two things then they’ll actually be more
two things then they’ll actually be more positive in their dealings and that
positive in their dealings and that
positive in their dealings and that invokes positivity from the other side
invokes positivity from the other side
invokes positivity from the other side as well and you know most of the time
as well and you know most of the time
as well and you know most of the time there’s a lot more money to go around so
there’s a lot more money to go around so
there’s a lot more money to go around so trying to squeeze everything early on is
trying to squeeze everything early on is
trying to squeeze everything early on is probably not the best of you know way of
probably not the best of you know way of
probably not the best of you know way of really building a business eleven heroes
really building a business eleven heroes
really building a business eleven heroes thank you so much for spending some time
thank you so much for spending some time
thank you so much for spending some time today for those of you watching you can
today for those of you watching you can
today for those of you watching you can check out his website at
check out his website at
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