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we are a divided people who knows we’re

we are a divided people who knows we’re divided politically into red states and

divided politically into red states and

divided politically into red states and blue states we’re divided on social

blue states we’re divided on social

blue states we’re divided on social media and to our own little echo

media and to our own little echo

media and to our own little echo chambers where we can belong the people

chambers where we can belong the people

chambers where we can belong the people we disagree and most of us recognize

we disagree and most of us recognize

we disagree and most of us recognize that this is a bad situation it’s bad

that this is a bad situation it’s bad

that this is a bad situation it’s bad because it’s unpleasant but it’s also

because it’s unpleasant but it’s also

because it’s unpleasant but it’s also bad because it makes it harder for us to

bad because it makes it harder for us to

bad because it makes it harder for us to solve the practical problems that face

solve the practical problems that face

solve the practical problems that face us problems about climate change or

us problems about climate change or

us problems about climate change or religious liberty or economic policy

religious liberty or economic policy

religious liberty or economic policy these all require some kind of solution

these all require some kind of solution

these all require some kind of solution from us and unless we can come together

from us and unless we can come together

from us and unless we can come together at the table to discuss them it’s harder

at the table to discuss them it’s harder

at the table to discuss them it’s harder to solve them I know something about

to solve them I know something about

to solve them I know something about this the last several decades I have

this the last several decades I have

this the last several decades I have traveled the country participating in

traveled the country participating in

traveled the country participating in the culture wars specifically on the

the culture wars specifically on the

the culture wars specifically on the issue of same-sex marriage when I

issue of same-sex marriage when I

issue of same-sex marriage when I started doing this in the early nineties

started doing this in the early nineties

started doing this in the early nineties most Americans were opposed to same-sex

most Americans were opposed to same-sex

most Americans were opposed to same-sex marriage in fact in 1996 the first year

marriage in fact in 1996 the first year

marriage in fact in 1996 the first year that Gallup started polling on the issue

that Gallup started polling on the issue

that Gallup started polling on the issue 68 percent of Americans said they were

68 percent of Americans said they were

68 percent of Americans said they were opposed only 27 percent in favor as

opposed only 27 percent in favor as

opposed only 27 percent in favor as opposed to today where we have 61

opposed to today where we have 61

opposed to today where we have 61 percent in favor and 37 percent against

percent in favor and 37 percent against

percent in favor and 37 percent against so there’s been a real change here and

so there’s been a real change here and

so there’s been a real change here and during my time engaged in those culture

during my time engaged in those culture

during my time engaged in those culture wars I built some interesting

wars I built some interesting

wars I built some interesting relationships even friendships with

relationships even friendships with

relationships even friendships with people on the other side of the issue

people on the other side of the issue

people on the other side of the issue people like Glenn snaffle to Focus on

people like Glenn snaffle to Focus on

people like Glenn snaffle to Focus on the Family

the Family

the Family Maggie Gallagher of the National

Maggie Gallagher of the National

Maggie Gallagher of the National Organization for Marriage and people

Organization for Marriage and people

Organization for Marriage and people would sometimes ask me John how can you

would sometimes ask me John how can you

would sometimes ask me John how can you as a gay rights advocate and a gay man

as a gay rights advocate and a gay man

as a gay rights advocate and a gay man in yourself be friends with people who

in yourself be friends with people who

in yourself be friends with people who are fighting against your rights and the

are fighting against your rights and the

are fighting against your rights and the answer to that question is very simple

answer to that question is very simple

answer to that question is very simple I drink know the answer to my question

I drink know the answer to my question

I drink know the answer to my question is that I recognize that we all have to

is that I recognize that we all have to

is that I recognize that we all have to share the world together and if we’re

share the world together and if we’re

share the world together and if we’re going to do that successfully it’s

going to do that successfully it’s

going to do that successfully it’s better for us to be able to come to the

better for us to be able to come to the

better for us to be able to come to the table and enter in a respectful dialogue

table and enter in a respectful dialogue

table and enter in a respectful dialogue but you know sometimes that’s not easy

but you know sometimes that’s not easy

but you know sometimes that’s not easy to do and one of the reasons it’s not

to do and one of the reasons it’s not

to do and one of the reasons it’s not easy to do

easy to do

easy to do this because what we say we want a

this because what we say we want a

this because what we say we want a better dialogue we often end up saying

better dialogue we often end up saying

better dialogue we often end up saying things that function as conversation

things that function as conversation

things that function as conversation stuff there’s their way of stopping the

stuff there’s their way of stopping the

stuff there’s their way of stopping the conversation and making that dialogue

conversation and making that dialogue

conversation and making that dialogue partner and today I want to talk about

partner and today I want to talk about

partner and today I want to talk about five of those some of them are coming on

five of those some of them are coming on

five of those some of them are coming on the right side of the culture wars some

the right side of the culture wars some

the right side of the culture wars some of the more common on the left side of

of the more common on the left side of

of the more common on the left side of the cultural wars all of them take our

the cultural wars all of them take our

the cultural wars all of them take our challenges more difficult to confront

challenges more difficult to confront

challenges more difficult to confront the first one comes from the right side

the first one comes from the right side

the first one comes from the right side is the Klamath I’m not interested in

is the Klamath I’m not interested in

is the Klamath I’m not interested in being more politically correct what does

being more politically correct what does

being more politically correct what does that charge mean when we say that

that charge mean when we say that

that charge mean when we say that something is being politically correct

something is being politically correct

something is being politically correct it suggests that there’s a kind of

it suggests that there’s a kind of

it suggests that there’s a kind of orthodoxy being imposed on the

orthodoxy being imposed on the

orthodoxy being imposed on the conversation stifling free speech saying

conversation stifling free speech saying

conversation stifling free speech saying there are certain things that you cannot

there are certain things that you cannot

there are certain things that you cannot say what things well usually people

say what things well usually people

say what things well usually people bring this up when they feel like

bring this up when they feel like

bring this up when they feel like they’re not allowed to say certain

they’re not allowed to say certain

they’re not allowed to say certain things that hurting people who are

things that hurting people who are

things that hurting people who are marginalizing people behaviors and

marginalizing people behaviors and

marginalizing people behaviors and actions that actually hurt others and

actions that actually hurt others and

actions that actually hurt others and when they’re talking about they’re

when they’re talking about they’re

when they’re talking about they’re saying well you’re just being all

saying well you’re just being all

saying well you’re just being all politically correct the irony is that

politically correct the irony is that

politically correct the irony is that this charge functions as a kind of

this charge functions as a kind of

this charge functions as a kind of political correctness itself it says

political correctness itself it says

political correctness itself it says there are certain things you can say you

there are certain things you can say you

there are certain things you can say you can’t tell me when my words and my

can’t tell me when my words and my

can’t tell me when my words and my actions hurt and marginalizing see

actions hurt and marginalizing see

actions hurt and marginalizing see that’s not how free speech works free

that’s not how free speech works free

that’s not how free speech works free speech means that I get to say what I

speech means that I get to say what I

speech means that I get to say what I believe and you get to tell me when I’m

believe and you get to tell me when I’m

believe and you get to tell me when I’m being a jerk it’s true now there may be

being a jerk it’s true now there may be

being a jerk it’s true now there may be threats to free speech that you want to

threats to free speech that you want to

threats to free speech that you want to speak up against and that’s great but

speak up against and that’s great but

speak up against and that’s great but when you do that don’t just label them

when you do that don’t just label them

when you do that don’t just label them as politically correct that’s a easy way

as politically correct that’s a easy way

as politically correct that’s a easy way out it’s lazy and also functions as a

out it’s lazy and also functions as a

out it’s lazy and also functions as a conversation stuff now

conversation stuff now

conversation stuff now while the right tends to use this charge

while the right tends to use this charge

while the right tends to use this charge of Louisville correctness the left

of Louisville correctness the left

of Louisville correctness the left sometimes uses the charge of imagery to

sometimes uses the charge of imagery to

sometimes uses the charge of imagery to stop the conversation what does this

stop the conversation what does this

stop the conversation what does this mean well the Webster’s tells us the

mean well the Webster’s tells us the

mean well the Webster’s tells us the bigot is a person who is obstinately or

bigot is a person who is obstinately or

bigot is a person who is obstinately or intolerant ly devoted to his or her own

intolerant ly devoted to his or her own

intolerant ly devoted to his or her own opinions

opinions

opinions how many of you have beliefs that you

how many of you have beliefs that you

how many of you have beliefs that you are stubbornly devoted to raise your

are stubbornly devoted to raise your

are stubbornly devoted to raise your hand

hand

hand Lisa R stubbornly most all of us do and

Lisa R stubbornly most all of us do and

Lisa R stubbornly most all of us do and my agreement comes under calm conditions

if I disagree with them in a certain way

if I disagree with them in a certain way I may call them bigotry in what way well

I may call them bigotry in what way well

I may call them bigotry in what way well what I call of yoohoo bigoted I’m not

what I call of yoohoo bigoted I’m not

what I call of yoohoo bigoted I’m not just saying that it’s wrong

just saying that it’s wrong

just saying that it’s wrong I’m saying that it doesn’t even belong

I’m saying that it doesn’t even belong

I’m saying that it doesn’t even belong at the table

at the table

at the table it doesn’t even belong as part of polite

it doesn’t even belong as part of polite

it doesn’t even belong as part of polite conversation it’s beyond the pale well

conversation it’s beyond the pale well

conversation it’s beyond the pale well that claim is a conversation stopper if

that claim is a conversation stopper if

that claim is a conversation stopper if anything is now granted sometimes this

anything is now granted sometimes this

anything is now granted sometimes this is the appropriate stance to take there

is the appropriate stance to take there

is the appropriate stance to take there are some views that are so bad that the

are some views that are so bad that the

are some views that are so bad that the only appropriate response is shunning

only appropriate response is shunning

only appropriate response is shunning not engaging but we obviously use that

not engaging but we obviously use that

not engaging but we obviously use that stance sparingly if we dial every

stance sparingly if we dial every

stance sparingly if we dial every conflict up to the outrage level that’s

conflict up to the outrage level that’s

conflict up to the outrage level that’s not just going to get us all worked up

not just going to get us all worked up

not just going to get us all worked up it’s also going to make it harder for us

it’s also going to make it harder for us

it’s also going to make it harder for us to have productive dialogue with the

to have productive dialogue with the

to have productive dialogue with the movable bill it’s a conversation stuff

movable bill it’s a conversation stuff

movable bill it’s a conversation stuff now back over on the right we sometimes

now back over on the right we sometimes

now back over on the right we sometimes hear people say well look these are not

hear people say well look these are not

hear people say well look these are not my claims they’re God’s claims that is

my claims they’re God’s claims that is

my claims they’re God’s claims that is people hide their fallible prejudices

people hide their fallible prejudices

people hide their fallible prejudices behind claims about an infallible God

behind claims about an infallible God

behind claims about an infallible God this also functions as a kind of

this also functions as a kind of

this also functions as a kind of conversation stuff I used to get this a

conversation stuff I used to get this a

conversation stuff I used to get this a lot of marriage debate sometimes I would

lot of marriage debate sometimes I would

lot of marriage debate sometimes I would be invited to debate local pastors I

be invited to debate local pastors I

be invited to debate local pastors I have nothing against pastors but it’s

have nothing against pastors but it’s

have nothing against pastors but it’s too easy for some of them the frame the

too easy for some of them the frame the

too easy for some of them the frame the things and frame things in the following

things and frame things in the following

things and frame things in the following way they say here’s what John Corbino

way they say here’s what John Corbino

way they say here’s what John Corbino says about homosexuality and here’s what

says about homosexuality and here’s what

says about homosexuality and here’s what God says about us as well how am I going

God says about us as well how am I going

God says about us as well how am I going to win

to win

to win think about this for just a second John

think about this for just a second John

think about this for just a second John Corbino has a PhD in philosophy God is

Corbino has a PhD in philosophy God is

Corbino has a PhD in philosophy God is omniscient I can’t write I cannot learn

omniscient I can’t write I cannot learn

omniscient I can’t write I cannot learn that and of course I have to explain to

that and of course I have to explain to

that and of course I have to explain to people not what John burrito says versus

people not what John burrito says versus

people not what John burrito says versus what God says it’s two human beings of

what God says it’s two human beings of

what God says it’s two human beings of the state on the stage each trying to

the state on the stage each trying to

the state on the stage each trying to get to the truth

get to the truth

get to the truth believing in them fallible God does not

believing in them fallible God does not

believing in them fallible God does not make us available and any honest look at

make us available and any honest look at

make us available and any honest look at mysteries all those we should be careful

mysteries all those we should be careful

mysteries all those we should be careful but you can become too confident that

but you can become too confident that

but you can become too confident that they speak directly for God that’s why

they speak directly for God that’s why

they speak directly for God that’s why I’m kind of opting out of responsibility

I’m kind of opting out of responsibility

I’m kind of opting out of responsibility for the conversation it’s a conversation

for the conversation it’s a conversation

for the conversation it’s a conversation stuff now what’s interesting is that on

stuff now what’s interesting is that on

stuff now what’s interesting is that on the Left people do almost the opposite

the Left people do almost the opposite

the Left people do almost the opposite instead of trying to make their planning

instead of trying to make their planning

instead of trying to make their planning infallible they want to avoid making

infallible they want to avoid making

infallible they want to avoid making plans about children all physically

plans about children all physically

plans about children all physically about the earth and I sometimes hear

about the earth and I sometimes hear

about the earth and I sometimes hear people say things like morality is a

people say things like morality is a

people say things like morality is a private matter you shouldn’t judge other

private matter you shouldn’t judge other

private matter you shouldn’t judge other people you shouldn’t judge other people

people you shouldn’t judge other people

people you shouldn’t judge other people what does that mean so a we should go

what does that mean so a we should go

what does that mean so a we should go around wagging my finger equals face as

around wagging my finger equals face as

around wagging my finger equals face as well of course nobody likes a

well of course nobody likes a

well of course nobody likes a know-it-all but does it mean we should

know-it-all but does it mean we should

know-it-all but does it mean we should never make judgments about what other

never make judgments about what other

never make judgments about what other people are doing this is that part of

people are doing this is that part of

people are doing this is that part of being a morally responsible adult in the

being a morally responsible adult in the

being a morally responsible adult in the world will give it other people’s

world will give it other people’s

world will give it other people’s successes and failures adjusting our own

successes and failures adjusting our own

successes and failures adjusting our own lives and response to that isn’t it part

lives and response to that isn’t it part

lives and response to that isn’t it part of our responsibility to figure out what

of our responsibility to figure out what

of our responsibility to figure out what kinds of things we want to encourage

kinds of things we want to encourage

kinds of things we want to encourage what kinds of things will be nearly tore

what kinds of things will be nearly tore

what kinds of things will be nearly tore it and what kinds of things we must

it and what kinds of things we must

it and what kinds of things we must absolutely forbid and I sometimes hear

absolutely forbid and I sometimes hear

absolutely forbid and I sometimes hear well-meaning fellow liberals and I think

well-meaning fellow liberals and I think

well-meaning fellow liberals and I think as well it comes from a place of

as well it comes from a place of

as well it comes from a place of humility twist themselves into pretzels

humility twist themselves into pretzels

humility twist themselves into pretzels trying to be non-judgmental I once had a

trying to be non-judgmental I once had a

trying to be non-judgmental I once had a student do this he kept talking about

student do this he kept talking about

student do this he kept talking about what’s true for you and true for me and

what’s true for you and true for me and

what’s true for you and true for me and that’s right for you what’s right for

that’s right for you what’s right for

that’s right for you what’s right for being so you can’t really get any more

being so you can’t really get any more

being so you can’t really get any more plans because it was right for me may

plans because it was right for me may

plans because it was right for me may not be right for you and you look at a

not be right for you and you look at a

not be right for you and you look at a paper on this and I gave it

paper on this and I gave it

paper on this and I gave it and he was kind of upset about this he

and he was kind of upset about this he

and he was kind of upset about this he came into my office he’s like I look

came into my office he’s like I look

came into my office he’s like I look really hard on this paper why did you

really hard on this paper why did you

really hard on this paper why did you give it a neck

give it a neck

give it a neck I said well migrated this paper the way

I said well migrated this paper the way

I said well migrated this paper the way I read all my fingers sat at the top of

I read all my fingers sat at the top of

I read all my fingers sat at the top of the staircase and I throw the papers

the staircase and I throw the papers

the staircase and I throw the papers down the stairs first few stairs get

down the stairs first few stairs get

down the stairs first few stairs get AIDS and these internal heavy papers

AIDS and these internal heavy papers

AIDS and these internal heavy papers down to the bottom of the stairs it gets

down to the bottom of the stairs it gets

down to the bottom of the stairs it gets that and he said but but that’s not

that and he said but but that’s not

that and he said but but that’s not right and I said that’s not right for

right and I said that’s not right for

right and I said that’s not right for you

okay I didn’t really do that but if I

okay I didn’t really do that but if I had tenure I would ever I have tenure

had tenure I would ever I have tenure

had tenure I would ever I have tenure now so watch out then what does this

now so watch out then what does this

now so watch out then what does this story teach us it teaches us probably

story teach us it teaches us probably

story teach us it teaches us probably about just a private matter it’s about

about just a private matter it’s about

about just a private matter it’s about how we treat one another so things like

how we treat one another so things like

how we treat one another so things like fairness things like justice and we make

fairness things like justice and we make

fairness things like justice and we make small claims were making claims about

small claims were making claims about

small claims were making claims about how things ought to be out there in the

how things ought to be out there in the

how things ought to be out there in the world and if you say oh you can’t make

world and if you say oh you can’t make

world and if you say oh you can’t make those plans you shouldn’t judge people

those plans you shouldn’t judge people

those plans you shouldn’t judge people it’s a private matter it stops the

it’s a private matter it stops the

it’s a private matter it stops the conversation now many of the

conversation now many of the

conversation now many of the conversation stopper as I looked at and

conversation stopper as I looked at and

conversation stopper as I looked at and then on one side or the other but

then on one side or the other but

then on one side or the other but there’s one conversation stopper that I

there’s one conversation stopper that I

there’s one conversation stopper that I think of as an all-purpose conversation

think of as an all-purpose conversation

think of as an all-purpose conversation stuff but people all over the political

stuff but people all over the political

stuff but people all over the political spectrum use it they say that’s just

spectrum use it they say that’s just

spectrum use it they say that’s just your opinion now my first inclination

your opinion now my first inclination

your opinion now my first inclination when I hear this as a philosophy

when I hear this as a philosophy

when I hear this as a philosophy professor is to want to give a very

professor is to want to give a very

professor is to want to give a very technical philosophical response to this

technical philosophical response to this

technical philosophical response to this land that’s just your opinion which is

land that’s just your opinion which is

land that’s just your opinion which is my opinion I’m the one talking does it

my opinion I’m the one talking does it

my opinion I’m the one talking does it think it would have be that doesn’t say

think it would have be that doesn’t say

think it would have be that doesn’t say anything about whether it’s a reasonable

anything about whether it’s a reasonable

anything about whether it’s a reasonable opinion or an unreasonable one whether

opinion or an unreasonable one whether

opinion or an unreasonable one whether it’s one that you want to adopt or one

it’s one that you want to adopt or one

it’s one that you want to adopt or one that you want to reject not opinions are

that you want to reject not opinions are

that you want to reject not opinions are created equal some of our thoughtful

created equal some of our thoughtful

created equal some of our thoughtful backed up by the different evidence some

backed up by the different evidence some

backed up by the different evidence some are unreasonable biased even silly and I

are unreasonable biased even silly and I

are unreasonable biased even silly and I think part of the problem that we face

think part of the problem that we face

think part of the problem that we face here is that there are a number of

here is that there are a number of

here is that there are a number of different distinctions in the

different distinctions in the

different distinctions in the neighborhood and people tend to jumble

neighborhood and people tend to jumble

neighborhood and people tend to jumble them together and then they get all

them together and then they get all

them together and then they get all confused and let’s just Europe in one of

confused and let’s just Europe in one of

confused and let’s just Europe in one of those distinctions it’s a very important

those distinctions it’s a very important

those distinctions it’s a very important distinction it’s the fact value

distinction it’s the fact value

distinction it’s the fact value distinction and what we’re talking about

distinction and what we’re talking about

distinction and what we’re talking about moral issues of course that distinction

moral issues of course that distinction

moral issues of course that distinction come up factual and

come up factual and

come up factual and plans without the way the world is value

plans without the way the world is value

plans without the way the world is value claims claims about the way the world

claims claims about the way the world

claims claims about the way the world all to me the therapists people are

all to me the therapists people are

all to me the therapists people are doing this fact value distinction it’s

doing this fact value distinction it’s

doing this fact value distinction it’s somehow it gets more into a opinion

somehow it gets more into a opinion

somehow it gets more into a opinion distinction which is a lot more money I

distinction which is a lot more money I

distinction which is a lot more money I think and then that can somehow demoted

think and then that can somehow demoted

think and then that can somehow demoted into a fact mirror in distinction it’s a

into a fact mirror in distinction it’s a

into a fact mirror in distinction it’s a mirror opinion it’s like a matter of

mirror opinion it’s like a matter of

mirror opinion it’s like a matter of taste and yet often the things we’re

taste and yet often the things we’re

taste and yet often the things we’re talking about the things that divide us

talking about the things that divide us

talking about the things that divide us are not your matters of taste there are

are not your matters of taste there are

are not your matters of taste there are urgent matters of how we are going to

urgent matters of how we are going to

urgent matters of how we are going to live together in the world here’s a

live together in the world here’s a

live together in the world here’s a useful analogy think about it this way

useful analogy think about it this way

useful analogy think about it this way some only you’d like to keep your

some only you’d like to keep your

some only you’d like to keep your thermostat at seventy five degrees and I

thermostat at seventy five degrees and I

thermostat at seventy five degrees and I like to keep my thermostat at sixty-five

like to keep my thermostat at sixty-five

like to keep my thermostat at sixty-five degrees

degrees

degrees okay that’s something we can agree to

okay that’s something we can agree to

okay that’s something we can agree to disagree about you’ve got your house

disagree about you’ve got your house

disagree about you’ve got your house I’ve got my house now suppose we live in

I’ve got my house now suppose we live in

I’ve got my house now suppose we live in the same house the moral issues that

the same house the moral issues that

the same house the moral issues that divide us these controversial things

divide us these controversial things

divide us these controversial things we’re talking about often involve our

we’re talking about often involve our

we’re talking about often involve our house the world we share together and

house the world we share together and

house the world we share together and when we try to respond the claims within

when we try to respond the claims within

when we try to respond the claims within that sphere by saying well that’s just

that sphere by saying well that’s just

that sphere by saying well that’s just your opinion it makes it much harder for

your opinion it makes it much harder for

your opinion it makes it much harder for us to figure out how to do that together

us to figure out how to do that together

us to figure out how to do that together it’s a conversation so now I want to

it’s a conversation so now I want to

it’s a conversation so now I want to conclude with one final point that is

conclude with one final point that is

conclude with one final point that is important something I learned in my

important something I learned in my

important something I learned in my peers spending time in the culture wars

peers spending time in the culture wars

peers spending time in the culture wars because I often be involved in

because I often be involved in

because I often be involved in situations with people to say yeah I

situations with people to say yeah I

situations with people to say yeah I believe in dialogue I think it’s

believe in dialogue I think it’s

believe in dialogue I think it’s important for us all to come together in

important for us all to come together in

important for us all to come together in fact they pat themselves on the back

fact they pat themselves on the back

fact they pat themselves on the back because they’re so proud of themselves

because they’re so proud of themselves

because they’re so proud of themselves how open-minded they were for sitting

how open-minded they were for sitting

how open-minded they were for sitting down with people on the other side and

down with people on the other side and

down with people on the other side and then when it came time for it actually

then when it came time for it actually

then when it came time for it actually engage into the conversation they would

engage into the conversation they would

engage into the conversation they would just repeat their talking points

just repeat their talking points

just repeat their talking points that’s not dialogue that’s not

that’s not dialogue that’s not

that’s not dialogue that’s not conversation where dialogue is

conversation where dialogue is

conversation where dialogue is challenging will dialogue involves

challenging will dialogue involves

challenging will dialogue involves listening to other people not just

listening to other people not just

listening to other people not just listening so you can figure out where

listening so you can figure out where

listening so you can figure out where the flaws are so you can pounce on them

the flaws are so you can pounce on them

the flaws are so you can pounce on them but listening soon can understand

but listening soon can understand

but listening soon can understand and we’re not well most of all requires

and we’re not well most of all requires

and we’re not well most of all requires us to exercise our moral imagination to

us to exercise our moral imagination to

us to exercise our moral imagination to put ourselves in other people’s shoes

put ourselves in other people’s shoes

put ourselves in other people’s shoes it’s important for us to do that it’s

it’s important for us to do that it’s

it’s important for us to do that it’s important for us to do that because it

important for us to do that because it

important for us to do that because it helps us confront the practical problems

helps us confront the practical problems

helps us confront the practical problems that face us as we try to change the

that face us as we try to change the

that face us as we try to change the world and it’s also important because

world and it’s also important because

world and it’s also important because when it comes to our fellow human beings

when it comes to our fellow human beings

when it comes to our fellow human beings and the world we share it’s the right

and the world we share it’s the right

and the world we share it’s the right thing to do please keep the conversation

thing to do please keep the conversation

thing to do please keep the conversation going

going

going I’m John Correa

I’m John Correa

I’m John Correa [Applause]

[Applause]

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you

you [Music]

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