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How leaders change brains and win hearts | Fiona Kerr | TEDxAdelaide


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but how many of you show plans or be the

but how many of you show plans or be the first to do in these color talks has had

first to do in these color talks has had

first to do in these color talks has had a wonderful leader one who inspired you

a wonderful leader one who inspired you

a wonderful leader one who inspired you who let you be really good at what

who let you be really good at what

who let you be really good at what you’re doing on great lots of hands are

you’re doing on great lots of hands are

you’re doing on great lots of hands are going up good how many had the opposite

yes and you can see you’ve kind of kept

yes and you can see you’ve kind of kept it with you those leaders actually

it with you those leaders actually

it with you those leaders actually changed our brains at both do it are

changed our brains at both do it are

changed our brains at both do it are really interesting study last year it’s

really interesting study last year it’s

really interesting study last year it’s a really great scan of executives and

a really great scan of executives and

a really great scan of executives and what they did was they top people with

what they did was they top people with

what they did was they top people with many years of experience and they talked

many years of experience and they talked

many years of experience and they talked to them about their leaders and good

to them about their leaders and good

to them about their leaders and good leaders created this pattern in people’s

leaders created this pattern in people’s

leaders created this pattern in people’s heads now this is the mirror neuron

heads now this is the mirror neuron

heads now this is the mirror neuron system so it’s about effect it’s about

system so it’s about effect it’s about

system so it’s about effect it’s about connecting with people and if it’s

connecting with people and if it’s

connecting with people and if it’s orange that means it’s positive effect

orange that means it’s positive effect

orange that means it’s positive effect so they had really good memories about

so they had really good memories about

so they had really good memories about getting on well with people about

getting on well with people about

getting on well with people about sharing information about feeling good

sharing information about feeling good

sharing information about feeling good and also about dealing with novelty and

and also about dealing with novelty and

and also about dealing with novelty and eunice that’s all what happened with the

eunice that’s all what happened with the

eunice that’s all what happened with the people that had the bad leaders was

people that had the bad leaders was

people that had the bad leaders was different parts of them running silly

different parts of them running silly

different parts of them running silly talk

talk

talk and that’s negative effect and that was

and that’s negative effect and that was

and that’s negative effect and that was about dropping compassion and narrowing

about dropping compassion and narrowing

about dropping compassion and narrowing in the capability to deal with things so

in the capability to deal with things so

in the capability to deal with things so those rates which changed forever

those rates which changed forever

those rates which changed forever basically by those leaders so I want to

basically by those leaders so I want to

basically by those leaders so I want to talk to you today about how that happens

talk to you today about how that happens

talk to you today about how that happens the neuroscience I guess

the neuroscience I guess

the neuroscience I guess so something that really struck me over

so something that really struck me over

so something that really struck me over 30 years at working in industry all

30 years at working in industry all

30 years at working in industry all different kinds of industries with good

different kinds of industries with good

different kinds of industries with good leaders some bad leaders leading a bit

leaders some bad leaders leading a bit

leaders some bad leaders leading a bit myself was that the good leaders had

myself was that the good leaders had

myself was that the good leaders had some things in common so the first thing

some things in common so the first thing

some things in common so the first thing many things but the first thing that was

many things but the first thing that was

many things but the first thing that was really strong was they all had a very

really strong was they all had a very

really strong was they all had a very clear vision about where they were going

clear vision about where they were going

clear vision about where they were going what was our reason for being here and

what was our reason for being here and

what was our reason for being here and they could share it so everybody could

they could share it so everybody could

they could share it so everybody could understand what they were there for and

understand what they were there for and

understand what they were there for and the second thing was an extremely strong

the second thing was an extremely strong

the second thing was an extremely strong set of values so if you think about that

set of values so if you think about that

set of values so if you think about that we know where we’re going and we feel

we know where we’re going and we feel

we know where we’re going and we feel safe getting there because we know we’re

safe getting there because we know we’re

safe getting there because we know we’re going to have each other’s backs and

going to have each other’s backs and

going to have each other’s backs and it’s consistent and it means that within

it’s consistent and it means that within

it’s consistent and it means that within that boundary people can do wonderful

that boundary people can do wonderful

that boundary people can do wonderful things they can be very innovative I’m

things they can be very innovative I’m

things they can be very innovative I’m making strive and that’s because the

making strive and that’s because the

making strive and that’s because the third thing that those people did really

third thing that those people did really

third thing that those people did really well was they were pragmatic optimists

well was they were pragmatic optimists

well was they were pragmatic optimists so they made sure that people understood

so they made sure that people understood

so they made sure that people understood that they expected the best out of them

that they expected the best out of them

that they expected the best out of them and as human beings were interesting if

and as human beings were interesting if

and as human beings were interesting if people have really high hopes for us we

people have really high hopes for us we

people have really high hopes for us we need them so when they build things they

need them so when they build things they

need them so when they build things they don’t build lots of rules and

don’t build lots of rules and

don’t build lots of rules and regulations that they don’t have to have

regulations that they don’t have to have

regulations that they don’t have to have all of those measurements because you

all of those measurements because you

all of those measurements because you don’t need that if someone’s striving

don’t need that if someone’s striving

don’t need that if someone’s striving measurements drive us down to the

measurements drive us down to the

measurements drive us down to the minimum but if you are able to sir to

minimum but if you are able to sir to

minimum but if you are able to sir to strive for what you could possibly hope

strive for what you could possibly hope

strive for what you could possibly hope for then you’re going to get there

for then you’re going to get there

for then you’re going to get there so this fascinated me and always

so this fascinated me and always

so this fascinated me and always thinking what is it about them yes there

thinking what is it about them yes there

thinking what is it about them yes there are all different structures but do they

are all different structures but do they

are all different structures but do they think differently do they have different

think differently do they have different

think differently do they have different brains and the answer is yes they do so

brains and the answer is yes they do so

brains and the answer is yes they do so I’ll be looking at that for a number of

I’ll be looking at that for a number of

I’ll be looking at that for a number of years and there’s some really

years and there’s some really

years and there’s some really interesting work now right through

interesting work now right through

interesting work now right through Europe from Asia and America and

Europe from Asia and America and

Europe from Asia and America and Scandinavia and another trained TV when

Scandinavia and another trained TV when

Scandinavia and another trained TV when I was watching over the years

I was watching over the years

I was watching over the years look at this work and doing some work

look at this work and doing some work

look at this work and doing some work myself is that now that we’ve got really

myself is that now that we’ve got really

myself is that now that we’ve got really good scanning opacities to have a look

good scanning opacities to have a look

good scanning opacities to have a look at what’s happening is lots of you don’t

at what’s happening is lots of you don’t

at what’s happening is lots of you don’t know about the brain but there’s some

know about the brain but there’s some

know about the brain but there’s some things we do know the brains of

things we do know the brains of

things we do know the brains of inspirational transformational leaders

inspirational transformational leaders

inspirational transformational leaders are different and the way that all of

are different and the way that all of

are different and the way that all of the different kinds of tests and

the different kinds of tests and

the different kinds of tests and research found things is that the

research found things is that the

research found things is that the difference is around the social aspect

difference is around the social aspect

difference is around the social aspect of the brain so if you take an

of the brain so if you take an

of the brain so if you take an inspirational leader and you stand them

inspirational leader and you stand them

inspirational leader and you stand them are you getting them to talk about their

are you getting them to talk about their

are you getting them to talk about their organization the present and the future

organization the present and the future

organization the present and the future the parts of their brains that light up

the parts of their brains that light up

the parts of their brains that light up are around that social networking system

are around that social networking system

are around that social networking system around engagement around telling stories

around engagement around telling stories

around engagement around telling stories and they’re able to do that they’re able

and they’re able to do that they’re able

and they’re able to do that they’re able to get people involved and they use a

to get people involved and they use a

to get people involved and they use a lot of we we will make it better bigger

lot of we we will make it better bigger

lot of we we will make it better bigger happier we’ll have better clients yet

happier we’ll have better clients yet

happier we’ll have better clients yet when you scan the people who are much

when you scan the people who are much

when you scan the people who are much more hierarchical and controlling the

more hierarchical and controlling the

more hierarchical and controlling the parts that light up in their brain are

parts that light up in their brain are

parts that light up in their brain are mostly around tasks and it’s I how I

mostly around tasks and it’s I how I

mostly around tasks and it’s I how I will build an organization that’ll make

will build an organization that’ll make

will build an organization that’ll make more profit that’ll be the competition

more profit that’ll be the competition

more profit that’ll be the competition so it’s a very different look and

so it’s a very different look and

so it’s a very different look and they’re actually uncomfortable even

they’re actually uncomfortable even

they’re actually uncomfortable even having that discussion because being

having that discussion because being

having that discussion because being able to win my heart while they’re

able to win my heart while they’re

able to win my heart while they’re talking to me that’s that’s kind of not

talking to me that’s that’s kind of not

talking to me that’s that’s kind of not where their head is so that was a really

where their head is so that was a really

where their head is so that was a really interesting clean but why is that

interesting clean but why is that

interesting clean but why is that important it’s because human beings are

important it’s because human beings are

important it’s because human beings are hard-wired to connect it’s really

hard-wired to connect it’s really

hard-wired to connect it’s really critical to us so if you have the

critical to us so if you have the

critical to us so if you have the capacity to do that then you’re going to

capacity to do that then you’re going to

capacity to do that then you’re going to lead a lot more powerfully and people

lead a lot more powerfully and people

lead a lot more powerfully and people are going to be a lot more keen to go

are going to be a lot more keen to go

are going to be a lot more keen to go where you want to go

where you want to go

where you want to go and even to go other places as well that

and even to go other places as well that

and even to go other places as well that can make the organization even better

can make the organization even better

can make the organization even better we’re hardwired in the way that we have

we’re hardwired in the way that we have

we’re hardwired in the way that we have something called interpersonal neural

something called interpersonal neural

something called interpersonal neural synchrony synchronization so it’s a big

synchrony synchronization so it’s a big

synchrony synchronization so it’s a big word for saying that if I’m talking to

word for saying that if I’m talking to

word for saying that if I’m talking to you directly

you directly

you directly then we synchronize our brains so that

then we synchronize our brains so that

then we synchronize our brains so that becomes really powerful there’s actually

becomes really powerful there’s actually

becomes really powerful there’s actually something happening in your brain that’s

something happening in your brain that’s

something happening in your brain that’s making a difference so if we have an

making a difference so if we have an

making a difference so if we have an example I’m one of those charismatic

example I’m one of those charismatic

example I’m one of those charismatic inspirational leaders and this is my

inspirational leaders and this is my

inspirational leaders and this is my company right so were a small neat

company right so were a small neat

company right so were a small neat wonderful company but the markets

wonderful company but the markets

wonderful company but the markets changing and we have to do something a

changing and we have to do something a

changing and we have to do something a bit different so when I’m coming here

bit different so when I’m coming here

bit different so when I’m coming here and I’m talking to you if I can inspire

and I’m talking to you if I can inspire

and I’m talking to you if I can inspire you in my pathetically optimistic way

you in my pathetically optimistic way

you in my pathetically optimistic way and we’re talking about where we’re

and we’re talking about where we’re

and we’re talking about where we’re going to go and the fact that we have to

going to go and the fact that we have to

going to go and the fact that we have to move but that’s okay because we’re a

move but that’s okay because we’re a

move but that’s okay because we’re a really good company and people in this

really good company and people in this

really good company and people in this organization are very capable so we’ll

organization are very capable so we’ll

organization are very capable so we’ll get there and what we’ll do is do it

get there and what we’ll do is do it

get there and what we’ll do is do it together and we’ll figure out what’s in

together and we’ll figure out what’s in

together and we’ll figure out what’s in the way and we’ll get past that then

the way and we’ll get past that then

the way and we’ll get past that then your parasympathetic nervous system

your parasympathetic nervous system

your parasympathetic nervous system starts to fire up you have a little bit

starts to fire up you have a little bit

starts to fire up you have a little bit of anxiety because it’s new but that

of anxiety because it’s new but that

of anxiety because it’s new but that becomes energy and when that

becomes energy and when that

becomes energy and when that parasympathetic nervous system the vital

parasympathetic nervous system the vital

parasympathetic nervous system the vital immune system kicks in and you start

immune system kicks in and you start

immune system kicks in and you start getting all sorts of chemicals in your

getting all sorts of chemicals in your

getting all sorts of chemicals in your body and some of those chemicals are the

body and some of those chemicals are the

body and some of those chemicals are the chemicals that your brain uses to make

chemicals that your brain uses to make

chemicals that your brain uses to make new neurons so if I was to scan everyone

new neurons so if I was to scan everyone

new neurons so if I was to scan everyone while we start doing this you’d be

while we start doing this you’d be

while we start doing this you’d be growing a new neural map and the

growing a new neural map and the

growing a new neural map and the wonderful thing is would be some

wonderful thing is would be some

wonderful thing is would be some matching lis so

matching lis so

matching lis so about how powerful that is we need less

about how powerful that is we need less

about how powerful that is we need less rewards less regulations I don’t need to

rewards less regulations I don’t need to

rewards less regulations I don’t need to keep giving you emails of all charts and

keep giving you emails of all charts and

keep giving you emails of all charts and videos and all that kind of thing

videos and all that kind of thing

videos and all that kind of thing because you’ve got it in your head so

because you’ve got it in your head so

because you’ve got it in your head so that’s another part of what the

that’s another part of what the

that’s another part of what the charismatic leader understands is that

charismatic leader understands is that

charismatic leader understands is that face-to-face direct communication is

face-to-face direct communication is

face-to-face direct communication is critical because when I meet you like

critical because when I meet you like

critical because when I meet you like the first time I meet you if we start to

the first time I meet you if we start to

the first time I meet you if we start to talk then you’ve got spindle neurons

talk then you’ve got spindle neurons

talk then you’ve got spindle neurons mirror neurons but all sorts of things

mirror neurons but all sorts of things

mirror neurons but all sorts of things going on in your head and we’ve got

going on in your head and we’ve got

going on in your head and we’ve got dynamic resonance of being in the same

dynamic resonance of being in the same

dynamic resonance of being in the same space and once again we start getting

space and once again we start getting

space and once again we start getting these chemicals and those neurons are to

these chemicals and those neurons are to

these chemicals and those neurons are to do with trust they’re the trust neurons

do with trust they’re the trust neurons

do with trust they’re the trust neurons so we actually start building a

so we actually start building a

so we actually start building a relationship immediately

relationship immediately

relationship immediately in fact in as little as one twentieth

in fact in as little as one twentieth

in fact in as little as one twentieth and 1/6 that our second look really fast

and 1/6 that our second look really fast

and 1/6 that our second look really fast and that’s really critical because

and that’s really critical because

and that’s really critical because that’s the second thing that these

that’s the second thing that these

that’s the second thing that these leaders understand is the power of trust

leaders understand is the power of trust

leaders understand is the power of trust if I trust you and you trust me that we

if I trust you and you trust me that we

if I trust you and you trust me that we trust the process you’re going to be

trust the process you’re going to be

trust the process you’re going to be able to go outside of your comfort zone

able to go outside of your comfort zone

able to go outside of your comfort zone you’re going to be able to do things

you’re going to be able to do things

you’re going to be able to do things that you didn’t do before try new things

that you didn’t do before try new things

that you didn’t do before try new things because you know that someone’s got your

because you know that someone’s got your

because you know that someone’s got your back you’ll be more collaborative and

back you’ll be more collaborative and

back you’ll be more collaborative and the other thing that will be really

the other thing that will be really

the other thing that will be really important is fairness perceived fairness

important is fairness perceived fairness

important is fairness perceived fairness is quite critical it means that we will

is quite critical it means that we will

is quite critical it means that we will collaborate we will try new things but

collaborate we will try new things but

collaborate we will try new things but in really interesting studies about

in really interesting studies about

in really interesting studies about perceived unfairness that shuts down

perceived unfairness that shuts down

perceived unfairness that shuts down because your brain goes into a different

because your brain goes into a different

because your brain goes into a different type of filter it stops looking for

type of filter it stops looking for

type of filter it stops looking for information that’s going to make us

information that’s going to make us

information that’s going to make us collaborate together and it starts

collaborate together and it starts

collaborate together and it starts looking for information that proves to

looking for information that proves to

looking for information that proves to me that I don’t have to do it with

me that I don’t have to do it with

me that I don’t have to do it with anyone else so you actually change what

anyone else so you actually change what

anyone else so you actually change what you look for and what you bring into

you look for and what you bring into

you look for and what you bring into your brain so Trust is really critical

your brain so Trust is really critical

your brain so Trust is really critical and the third thing I’ll leave you with

and the third thing I’ll leave you with

and the third thing I’ll leave you with is empathy because a big part of trust

is empathy because a big part of trust

is empathy because a big part of trust sympathy and a big part of working with

sympathy and a big part of working with

sympathy and a big part of working with other people is being imperfect that

other people is being imperfect that

other people is being imperfect that people think empathise fluffy it’s not

people think empathise fluffy it’s not

people think empathise fluffy it’s not fluffy at all in fact it’s a

fluffy at all in fact it’s a

fluffy at all in fact it’s a physiologically structured process in

physiologically structured process in

physiologically structured process in your brain and one of the things that’s

your brain and one of the things that’s

your brain and one of the things that’s really critical for is complex

really critical for is complex

really critical for is complex problem-solving and strategy so the best

problem-solving and strategy so the best

problem-solving and strategy so the best strategist I’ve ever worked with are

strategist I’ve ever worked with are

strategist I’ve ever worked with are very empathic so don’t leave that at

very empathic so don’t leave that at

very empathic so don’t leave that at home you bring that right to the table

home you bring that right to the table

home you bring that right to the table what happens in your brain when you have

what happens in your brain when you have

what happens in your brain when you have a complex problem it’s this information

a complex problem it’s this information

a complex problem it’s this information that’s missing so your brain says okay

that’s missing so your brain says okay

that’s missing so your brain says okay I’m not sure where that is so what I’ll

I’m not sure where that is so what I’ll

I’m not sure where that is so what I’ll do now is I’ll go and find it my new

do now is I’ll go and find it my new

do now is I’ll go and find it my new filter is going into your brain and

filter is going into your brain and

filter is going into your brain and those filters look for information based

those filters look for information based

those filters look for information based on different criteria and the criteria

on different criteria and the criteria

on different criteria and the criteria is around long-lens thinking and

is around long-lens thinking and

is around long-lens thinking and consequences not what about right now so

consequences not what about right now so

consequences not what about right now so it actually shares how we look at things

it actually shares how we look at things

it actually shares how we look at things and it engages of course people’s hearts

and it engages of course people’s hearts

and it engages of course people’s hearts because you’re being imperfect you’re

because you’re being imperfect you’re

because you’re being imperfect you’re caring so it really is right that if you

caring so it really is right that if you

caring so it really is right that if you engage the heart that’s when you can

engage the heart that’s when you can

engage the heart that’s when you can change the mind because the chemicals

change the mind because the chemicals

change the mind because the chemicals that are in the discernment process can

that are in the discernment process can

that are in the discernment process can really organize the patterns in your

really organize the patterns in your

really organize the patterns in your brain and actually make you think

brain and actually make you think

brain and actually make you think differently so what is all this mean it

differently so what is all this mean it

differently so what is all this mean it means that you have a wonderful chemical

means that you have a wonderful chemical

means that you have a wonderful chemical cocktail going off in the brains of

cocktail going off in the brains of

cocktail going off in the brains of people with these kirkwood leaders it

people with these kirkwood leaders it

people with these kirkwood leaders it means that their brains with fast stuff

means that their brains with fast stuff

means that their brains with fast stuff that they take in information more

that they take in information more

that they take in information more quickly that they are more nimble in

quickly that they are more nimble in

quickly that they are more nimble in giving out decisions but it means they

giving out decisions but it means they

giving out decisions but it means they happier at the mass wonderful thing to

happier at the mass wonderful thing to

happier at the mass wonderful thing to think about is so are you so everyone

think about is so are you so everyone

think about is so are you so everyone here if they’re not a little already you

here if they’re not a little already you

here if they’re not a little already you will be because why else would you be in

will be because why else would you be in

will be because why else would you be in a TED talk you will be happier because

a TED talk you will be happier because

a TED talk you will be happier because the wonderful thing about human being

the wonderful thing about human being

the wonderful thing about human being this is reciprocal when your brain

this is reciprocal when your brain

this is reciprocal when your brain changes my brain changes too so you get

changes my brain changes too so you get

changes my brain changes too so you get better at the metacognitive skills of

better at the metacognitive skills of

better at the metacognitive skills of leaving you build better organizations

leaving you build better organizations

leaving you build better organizations so people can be flexible you get better

so people can be flexible you get better

so people can be flexible you get better at that social capacity of getting

at that social capacity of getting

at that social capacity of getting people to work together and you also get

people to work together and you also get

people to work together and you also get better at your own emotional perspective

better at your own emotional perspective

better at your own emotional perspective leading some we can all do it we’ve all

leading some we can all do it we’ve all

leading some we can all do it we’ve all got parts and we’ve all got brains so

got parts and we’ve all got brains so

got parts and we’ve all got brains so don’t think that the capacity to engage

don’t think that the capacity to engage

don’t think that the capacity to engage and the capacity to like people and to

and the capacity to like people and to

and the capacity to like people and to build that picture and paint the future

build that picture and paint the future

build that picture and paint the future is a fluffy thing it’s not the soft

is a fluffy thing it’s not the soft

is a fluffy thing it’s not the soft stuff is the hard stuff but it actually

stuff is the hard stuff but it actually

stuff is the hard stuff but it actually makes the neurophysiological difference

makes the neurophysiological difference

makes the neurophysiological difference so I’m here to tell you that

so I’m here to tell you that

so I’m here to tell you that scientifically those parts of leading

scientifically those parts of leading

scientifically those parts of leading make you a great leader

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